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  1. speedtech

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    When olympic squatting; do any of you descend quickly then use the bounce at the bottom to help drive upwards explosively when you squat? Thoughts?
     
  2. ZisDeadBaby

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    I bounce out of the hole... I used to try to do a pause/control out of the hole and that left me with back injuries. I think as the weight increases you should watch bouncing though.
     
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    I dont bounce, but I squat girly weights at the moment.
     
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    Theoretically, you don't want to descend quickly necessarily. You want to descend controlled more so than a pure drop to the bottom. It still might be quick but controlled.
     
  5. speedtech

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    Any videos of a controlled olympic squat descent? I was just watching Pat Mendes squat 300x6 on youtube and I consider his descent to be quick (not very controlled; just drop and up) - similar with eduardo guadamud 310x2 (except somewhat slower). Notice the height of their sticking points too!
     
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    Shane Hamman did alright.

     
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    Yeah usually when i bounce i feel that "drive" better.

    But it seems like when i do it that it would bring on an injury. Its also like putting your but up when you bench. But not really. To me it makes it easier so i don't do it anymore.
     
  8. speedtech

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    Thanks for that; demonstrates what I'm talking about. :)
     
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    dude that looked easy! steroid freak
     
  10. miaou

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    That was a pretty big dive bomb there. I doubt he would do that without the wraps though.

    Dive bombing a raw PL squat puts a lot of stress on the ligaments and tendons. Wraps will alleviate some of that stress. An oly-squat with weightlifting shoes, where the hams touch the calves, will also alleviate some of that stress. That is the reason why olympic lifters are told to "go down all the way in order to keep your knees healthy".
     
  11. Cratos

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    Why would you make a comment like that?
     
  12. Cratos

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    I think you could still do it without wraps.

    You could definitely still do it with knee sleeves.
     
  13. glennpendlay

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    That was an extremely unfair statement. Shane Hammon has been a very good personal friend of mine since around 1990-1991. I watched him become the first teenager to squat over 900lbs, set the IPF world record of 1008lbs, break the snatch and clean and jerk American records in weightlifting, and make two Olympic teams.

    I know for a fact that he never used steroids. Other than the fact that he has been extensively tested throughout most of his career, consider the fact that this man is a youth minister of strong faith, who has never drank a beer, and who remained a virgin till his marriage at over 30 years of age because of his faith and belief system.

    It is WITHOUT DOUBT that Shane achieved what he did without the use of steroids, or anything at all outside the rules for that matter.

    Most people cannot concieve of the natural talent that Shane had. I watched him, as a teenager, squat 770lbs for a triple with no knee wraps and no squat suit and make it look like an absolute toy... and this was not long after he had taken up weightlifting. He was squatting over 700lbs within a month or two of when he began to train.

    Shane is a guy that I admire for his talent, but even more for his very high morals and his refusal to give in to any temptation that was outside his morals. He does not deserve to be dismissed as a "steroid freak".
     
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    Go to the Don't Go Past Parallel Thread on her seriously and read Keith Wassung's last post it's long but read it, it will clear up this whole question perfectly.
     
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    Actually here you guys go just so you know for sure whats right.

     
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    I think teh comment may have been sarcastic.

    Squatting over 700lbs within a couple of months is insane.
     
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    Shane= Re-incarnated Paul Anderson. I believe his crossover and success in olympic lifting has to be one of the greatest ( certainly top ten) feats of all time in the history of the iron game.
     
  19. speedtech

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    Incredible achievements.

    Back on topic though; I was hoping if you could shed some light on how your athletes squat in this regard? Do alot of them bounce/"dive bomb" like Shane did for that squat and rebound out of the hole? Are knee problems common with this group?

    @Keith: You say rebounding out the hole is detrimental for the knees; but it seems like a lot of powerful squatters (I was surprised to see a PL squat executed in this manner!) do rebound out the hole! Any thoughts?

    Thanks.
     
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    Shane Hamman interview


    Watch. Learn. And stfuahayc.
     

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