bottom side control subs

[man im tuff]

So this is an aspect of bjj that I've been forced to focus on as of late (I have a torn medial meniscus).

There are actually quite a few options as far as submissions go from bottom side control and I've been trying out a few and they actually work (have even pulled a couple off on some purple and blue belts) Below are some videos to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

I have been focussing on the keylock, a choke that I kind of made up (never had anyone show it to me and haven't seen any video) - its basically like the "howdy choke" but from bottom side control and I've hit a few baseball chokes - I've been focussing on these because they don't require much in the way of leg movement.

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[machomang]

I used to get stuck under side control and hated it. The usual escapes weren't working I was just getting smothered. so I found some submissions from bottom side. If the top guy is lazy or is thinking you have nothing, they're gonna end up tapping or realize "crap, I need to get outta here." Which then leads to my escape.

The main one I threaten with is an americana with your leg that I learned from a Keith Owen dvd. It can also be a bicep slicer a la javier vazquez. But then I also use it to setup a wristlock - which is now my fav, no one expects it

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[Dirty Holt]

D'arce. All day.

 

[ITRDC5]

I have managed to get a few sneaky ezekials from bottom side mount before, sometimes you get the top or they start to defend and you can reclaim half guard and finish from there.

 

[wordspeaker]

Nino shembri :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6-1abxY5M

 

[anaconda]

It's going to end up hurting your development more in the long run. But enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[man im tuff]

It's going to end up hurting your development more in the long run. But enjoy it while it lasts.

I realize its not what I want to base my game around. As I said I'm injured and so thats what im forced to do as of now.

 

[Fightshopca]

I like the baseball bat choke as a last ditch effort.

 

[EndlessCritic]

It's going to end up hurting your development more in the long run. But enjoy it while it lasts.

huh?

submissions from the bottom of side control are going to be relatively low percentage, but the ability to attack a submission can open another escape route.

 

[Drew Foster]

huh?

submissions from the bottom of side control are going to be relatively low percentage, but the ability to attack a submission can open another escape route.

That's what I think. I just thought anaconda was saying that if you spend a ton of time on them that you might hinder yourself a bit. The only ones I ever go for are the inverted triangle, guillotine, and the darce on the near or far side arm. I find them to be helpful in terms of recomposing a guard or getting to my knees if I don't land the finish. Also I think a lot of people make the mistake of trying to do them when they're deep in side control already.

If you're getting cross faced really hard and they have strong control of you, that's not the time to go for these. Once you've basically lost your guard but before they really have a chance to settle into a strong side control is the best time to go.

 

[tenniswhiz]

D'arce. All day.

There is a good online video where Drysdale teaches an arm drag to d'Arce from the guard.
He lets the opponent pass his guard in the demo and says, "if he passes, I don't care! I got this (d'Arce)."

In the technique section of Inside the Lion's Den, Ken shows an armbar from bottom side control. Can't imagine making it work unless I was at least twice as strong as my opponent, like Ken.

 

[haji]

there are a few guys who always go for this kind of stuff instead of trying to escape.
I think people should learn to replace the guard before you try this stuff.
its mostly just annoying and doesn't work

 

[ITRDC5]

I dunno man, last night I tried bottom side control ezekial again and managed to use it to reclaim guard when my opponent defended ....

 

[machomang]

there are a few guys who always go for this kind of stuff instead of trying to escape.
I think people should learn to replace the guard before you try this stuff.
its mostly just annoying and doesn't work

I would imagine this is the kind of mentality that gets guys caught with a bottom side submission.

 

[Pirat]

Braulio's inverted triangle on galvao came from underneath, didn't it?

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

Braulio's inverted triangle on galvao came from underneath, didn't it?

I don't think he had actually gotten his guard passed.

 

[Drew Foster]

I don't think he had actually gotten his guard passed.

Yeah he was not all the way passed. Andre cleared the leg, and Braulio got his top leg over.

 

[Oliver Geddes]

Repost for relevance! And...uh...shameless self-promotion!

 

[Gfreak]

Darce.

There's also an armbar during the escape that ends in a belly down a lot of times, love that one but it really only works on newer people that leave their arms out while you're shrimping.

 

[dmwalking]

I like this thread. I know some BJJ hipsters are gonna hate me for this, but I like playing bottom side. I think it's because I love playing side control. So I basically think of bottom side as upside down side control. The attacks are pretty similar. The only difference is which way gravity is pulling.

It was born out of necessity. The only training partner my size was a judo black belt, bjj purple, and he would pretty much use me as a living grappling dummy. I'd end up in bottom side often. So I started playing with Nino Schembri's bottom side stuff. Got pretty good with it. Kept adding more to it. Now I rarely recover guard at plan A. Too many people expect that and immediately start blocking hips and so forth. It's too obvious. What I like to do is chain attacks together. I tap guys from there more often than you'd think. If I can get them defending enough I can compromise their base and sweep. And if I get them too distracted, the guard recovery is right there as if they're begging me to recover. Plus, I don't expend too much energy.

Personally, I don't think it's a bad idea to have a plan of attack from bottom side the way you would from half guard or full guard. The philosophy of the guard is to make the best of a bad situation, right? To still attack from a bad position, right? So why not?