So, in this thread, I was hoping for a discussion on 'iffy' submissions that some uninformed Judo players might consider to be illegal. Now, that 'endanger the neck' rule is so poorly worded that its application is almost arbitrary. For the purposes of this thread, we'll say 'endanger' means 'crank'. So, with that in mind, are the following actually illegal? 1. Pulling the head during a triangle (I say no, the only nationally-accredited ref I know says no, and that's because it's a supported choke) 2. Any of the arm-in guillotines 3. Peruvian Necktie and all variations 4. Guillotine with the RNC grip (hand under the neck grabs the bicep of the arm on top) 5. Guillotine with no neck twist Also, I'd like to espouse a personal and highly uninformed sentiment on flying armbars in Judo comps: they aren't illegal. Article 16, section D. Thoughts?