Body Triangle or Back Hooks?

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Which one do you prefer and why? Gi, NoGi, MMA, doesn't matter.
 
I prefer a single hook with an option. If you're trying to spin into me, I will insert the second hook to keep you squared up with me. If you're trying to get your shoulders to the mat, I will hook outside your leg under your knee to keep you squared up with me. If you're sitting and I have your back, I'll have two hooks in as well.
 
I also prefer the single hook. I'd rather have a lot of control over one hip than moderate control over two.
 
TheHereticJay said:
I prefer a single hook with an option. If you're trying to spin into me, I will insert the second hook to keep you squared up with me. If you're trying to get your shoulders to the mat, I will hook outside your leg under your knee to keep you squared up with me. If you're sitting and I have your back, I'll have two hooks in as well.
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that outside the knee hook to keep from being flat was a game changer for my back control.

one hook also nice to set up bow n arrows as you already have the leg out to put over his shoulder.
 
Another thing people don't realize when they start using the body triangle...it doesn't actually stop them from turning. Sure it slows them the hell down and is uncomfortable, but it's not necessarily great for control.
 
Is 1 hook and a collar grip a choice?

I like to get 1 hook in and go for a choking collar grip asap during the transition. Once settled in, I go for the second hook. I'm awful at controlling the back with only 1 hook and seat belt control.
 
Hooks (body triangle is not an option for is stubby guys).
 
Depends on who I'm rolling with. For some of the smaller, squirmier guys a body triangle is a better option
 
Body triangle. I have long legs so its fairly easy for me to get once I have the back. Its really uncomfortable too. Ive been in body triangle where I was relieved as hell that my opponet let go to get hooks in.
 
TheHereticJay said:
Another thing people don't realize when they start using the body triangle...it doesn't actually stop them from turning. Sure it slows them the hell down and is uncomfortable, but it's not necessarily great for control.
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it does if you manage to extend their top leg with yours, but yeah for me that really depends on the bodytype of the person im rollin with. I like the body triangle, but when i cant get that leg extension and they start rolling to the side i dont want, i always switch back to hooks.

people bring up the options you have when you have hooks vs. triangle, but for me when im on a guys back i just fight doggedly for the RNC in no gi. in gi i guess i may prefer hooks, but if you have yyour opponent on the right side, its not hard to switch from body triangle to hooks/1hook
 
BJ@LW&WW said:
it does if you manage to extend their top leg with yours, but yeah for me that really depends on the bodytype of the person im rollin with. I like the body triangle, but when i cant get that leg extension and they start rolling to the side i dont want, i always switch back to hooks.

people bring up the options you have when you have hooks vs. triangle, but for me when im on a guys back i just fight doggedly for the RNC in no gi. in gi i guess i may prefer hooks, but if you have yyour opponent on the right side, its not hard to switch from body triangle to hooks/1hook
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well the thing with the body triangle is that it doesnt allow you to trap the hand, which is by far my favorite way to attack the RNC.
 
triangle.

I like to get my guy in a tight triangle and start setting up a gi choke. If he is defending too well, i'll unlock and put in the hooks to set up for a bow and arrow.

there are plenty of reasons not to use the body triangle though, the 3 i can think of are
1) no points
2) a player doesn't have long enough legs
3) less options
 
JustTheTip said:
Body triangle. I have long legs so its fairly easy for me to get once I have the back. Its really uncomfortable too. Ive been in body triangle where I was relieved as hell that my opponet let go to get hooks in.
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When someone gets a tight body triangle and really stretches you out, it can definitely take the fight out.
 
what i do is i put the bottom leg across their body, like i was trying to lock up the body triangle. i use the foot of that leg to hook their far hip. i use the other leg to step on their hip, or even their thigh.

it's an absolute nightmare to get out of there, because you can use the top foot to push down on their top leg, basically killing any effective footwork. and since they can't use their legs to get rid of the "hook", they'll have to reach down for it, which is when you can easily trap their arm with the free leg.

couple this with the kimura grip in nogi and you have armbars, or the collar grip in the gi and you have the bow and arrow.

i've been playing with this for a month now, it hasn't failed me yet. it's brilliant.
 
Ice 9 Cobra said:
When someone gets a tight body triangle and really stretches you out, it can definitely take the fight out.
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One of the top black belts in our gym always locks the body triangle when he has your back. He taps some people just by the squeeze, which is surprisingly painfull. He has a rough style that works for him and the body triangle helps him a lot with it. He'll just wait there, switch legs when you force him to the other side and make your life miserable while he looks for the rear naked choke.

The position may be limiting from a sport point of view, but for mma or self defense, you are not getting out of there and he can just wait for your mistake or pound you all day long...

Me, with a more compact build, I always go for the hooks, try to trap an arm, turn my oponent to the side I need to in each moment and finally, if he forces me, be ready to transition to mount.

I'm experimenting with the one hook from the back, don't know the actual name, kind of a half guard from the back in which you squeeze his hip for control... But I always en up puting both hooks in the end... seems to give more control for me...
 
randomg1t said:
what i do is i put the bottom leg across their body, like i was trying to lock up the body triangle. i use the foot of that leg to hook their far hip. i use the other leg to step on their hip, or even their thigh.

it's an absolute nightmare to get out of there, because you can use the top foot to push down on their top leg, basically killing any effective footwork. and since they can't use their legs to get rid of the "hook", they'll have to reach down for it, which is when you can easily trap their arm with the free leg.

couple this with the kimura grip in nogi and you have armbars, or the collar grip in the gi and you have the bow and arrow.

i've been playing with this for a month now, it hasn't failed me yet. it's brilliant.
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If you seatbelt grip, is your underhook on the opposite side of the "hook"? I'll be giving this a shot tomorrow. Sounds interesting.
 
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