BLM (burn, loot, murder) rioters now burning bibles.

[The Stoat]

 

[Deleted member 159002]

It was a symbolic gesture, and BLM wasn't asking for it as some unified group.

You're an odd duck. Protests often block roads, as was done during the civil rights period, and you're trying to lump BLM in with the nazis over that? Get real.

"BLM wants to take jobs and wealth from whites. BLM wants to destroy the nuclear family."

You even fuckin' hear yourself? You sound like some know nothing or an inbred follower of WAR.

Yes, a symbolic gesture to humiliate people. It's a combination of taking over public roads, demanding a transfer of wealth and jobs, demanding punishment for people who defend themselves against violent black criminals (like the officer in Atlanta, the cop who killed Mike Brown, George Zimmerman), the call for ending the nuclear family, demanding people get on their knees, attacks on Christians, and the destruction of public property and church property. This is a revolutionary movement trying to stage a communist takeover.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

ok no problem.


how many Jews did the Nazis kill total?

I don't know exactly, do you? I accept the 6 million figure that's usually cited, as I've explicitly cited the 6 million number in these very discussions.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Yes, a symbolic gesture to humiliate people. It's a combination of taking over public roads, demanding a transfer of wealth and jobs, demanding punishment for people who defend themselves against violent black criminals (like the officer in Atlanta, the cop who killed Mike Brown, George Zimmerman), the call for ending the nuclear family, and the desecration of public property. This is a revolutionary movement trying to stage a communist takeover.

Oh yeah, so many people were humiliated by that kneeling bit. Just like what the nazis did, right? Kaepernick showed the whites how to do it, so he's basically Himmler.

You're whinging out in your little take me back to the 50s shit, so you'll receive no more replies.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Oh yeah, so many people were humiliated by that kneeling bit. Just like what the nazis did, right? Kaepernick showed the whites how to do it, so he's basically Himmler.

You're whinging out in your little take me back to the 50s shit, so you'll receive no more replies.

You do realize that Germany didn't go from a bastion of peace to having the blood of millions of innocent people on Nazi hands over night, right?

I'm still waiting for you to state what moral constraints BLM has that past communists (and the Nazis) didn't.

 

[terrapin]

You do realize that Germany didn't go from a bastion of peace to having the blood of millions of innocent people on Nazi hands over night, right?

I'm still waiting for you to state what moral constraints BLM has that past communists (and the Nazis) didn't.

dude what a shit argument. what moral restraints do you have that Ted Bundy didn't have? "i don't kill people for starters". Ha! got you, i meant that Ted Bundy didn't have at 3!!!!

Gotcha!

 

[Deleted member 159002]

dude what a shit argument. what moral restraints do you have that Ted Bundy didn't have? "i don't kill people for starters". Ha! got you, i meant that Ted Bundy didn't have at 3!!!!

Gotcha!

BLM supports sending people to prison and even being executed for defending themselves against violent black criminals. What do you think will happen if BLM tries to take people's property (like past communists did) and property owners refuse?

 

[terrapin]

BLM supports sending people to prison and even being executed for defending themselves against violent black criminals. What do you think will happen if BLM tries to take people's property (like past communists did) and property owners refuse?

i think you don't get the analogy i made and so are not responding to it.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

i think you don't get the analogy i made and so are not responding to it.

IOW you can't say what moral constraints BLM has that the Nazis, bolsheviks, Chicoms, and KR didn't.

 

[terrapin]

IOW you can't say what moral constraints BLM has that the Nazis, bolsheviks, Chicoms, and KR didn't.

that's because you dont mean the Nazis as we know them now from history. you mean the Nazis before they did what they did.


if you cant see how stupid and childish this argument is then you are not all there mentally and if you can then you are a troll for still using it.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

that's because you dont mean the Nazis as we know them now from history. you mean the Nazis before they did what they did.


if you cant see how stupid and childish this argument is then you are not all there mentally and if you can then you are a troll for still using it.

BLM (like the Nazis and bolsheviks and Chicoms...) have a utopian vision that entails a massive redistribution from 'oppressors' to 'victims'. We already know BLM supports imprisoning and executing people who do not allow black criminals to violate people's rights (Atlanta cop who shot Rashard Brooks; cop who shot Mike Brown; Zimmerman; the McCloskeys). What do you see as the fruit of BLM's labor to achieve its utopia?

 

[terrapin]

BLM (like the Nazis and bolsheviks and Chicoms...) have a utopian vision that entails a massive redistribution from 'oppressors' to 'victims'. We already know BLM supports imprisoning and executing people who do not allow black criminals to violate people's rights (Atlanta cop who shot Rashard Brooks; cop who shot Mike Brown; Zimmerman; the McCloskeys). What do you see as the fruit of BLM's labor to achieve its utopia?

You -- BLM are every bit as evil as Nazis.

Me- the Nazis killed 11 million people.

You- I meant the Nazis BEFORE they did all the evil stuff.


why would i respond when the entire basis of your premise is shit?


you are beneath honest argument or not intelligent enough to so the absurdity of it.

 

[Starman]

You -- BLM are every bit as evil as Nazis.

Me- the Nazis killed 11 million people.

You- I meant the Nazis BEFORE they did all the evil stuff.


why would i respond when the entire basis of your premise is shit?


you are beneath honest argument or not intelligent enough to so the absurdity of it.

The foundations for what the Nazis did were laid early on. They didn’t appear out of a vacuum and murder millions of people overnight.

They spent years demonizing their opponents with their victim narrative.

Honest observers and students of history are rightfully worried when Burn, Loot, Murder thugs start emulating the behavior of past socialists (Nazis) and Communists (Chicoms, Russia) with their racial strife, beatings, killings, and book burnings, because we know where behavior like that leads if left unchecked.

Meanwhile, the useful idiots like you stand by trying to justify it and explain it away because you’re too dumb to understand at best, or at worst you are accomplices who have the destruction of western civilization as your end goal.

 

[BearGrounds]

God is real, all of creation was made by Him, the only good in this world is from Him, humans took what He gave us and corrupted it, no human was born good after the fall and that’s why looking to humanity for answers is the opposite of where we should be looking.

Basically, the world was designed to work a certain way, humans have perverted that way, and now we reap the consequences.

This is where Christian religion loses me. Or, at least, the denominations that ascribe to this interpretation of reality.

Man corrupted nothing, the system is designed for such things at the very base level. Remove man and life is still the horror show that it is; it's still a brutal gladiator arena for every living creature - all the way down to the unicellular organisms.

I think Schopenhauer did a good job breaking it down in "studies in pessimism".

"Unless suffering is the direct and immediate object of life, our existence must entirely fail of its aim. It is absurd to look upon the enormous amount of pain that abounds everywhere in the world, and originates in needs and necessities inseparable from life itself, as serving no purpose at all and the result of mere chance. Each separate misfortune, as it comes, seems, no doubt, to be something exceptional; but misfortune in general is the rule."

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10732/10732-h/10732-h.htm

The game we've been dropped into is rigged in favor of "evil". By its very framework it's corrupt. Man's corruption is merely a function of the mechanism's design. It's geared for exactly such things to occur, and moreso than not.

 

[HunterAcosta]

This is where Christian religion loses me. Or, at least, the denominations that ascribe to this interpretation of reality.

Man corrupted nothing, the system is designed for such things at the very base level. Remove man and life is still the horror show that it is; it's still a brutal gladiator arena for every living creature - all the way down to the unicellular organisms.

I think Schopenhauer did a good job breaking it down in "studies in pessimism".

"Unless suffering is the direct and immediate object of life, our existence must entirely fail of its aim. It is absurd to look upon the enormous amount of pain that abounds everywhere in the world, and originates in needs and necessities inseparable from life itself, as serving no purpose at all and the result of mere chance. Each separate misfortune, as it comes, seems, no doubt, to be something exceptional; but misfortune in general is the rule."

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10732/10732-h/10732-h.htm

The game we've been dropped into is rigged in favor of "evil". By its very framework it's corrupt. Man's corruption is merely a function of the mechanism's design. It's geared for exactly such things to occur, and moreso than not.

To be fair EVERY religion whether it’s Buddhism , Taoism ( more philosophy I know ) , Zoroastriaism etc, has “ suffering “ pre mixed into it . Whether they are a Monotheistic ,dualistic, polytheistic , or animistic one . Some more than others of course .

 

[Texan6533]

This is where Christian religion loses me. Or, at least, the denominations that ascribe to this interpretation of reality.

Man corrupted nothing, the system is designed for such things at the very base level. Remove man and life is still the horror show that it is; it's still a brutal gladiator arena for every living creature - all the way down to the unicellular organisms.

I think Schopenhauer did a good job breaking it down in "studies in pessimism".

"Unless suffering is the direct and immediate object of life, our existence must entirely fail of its aim. It is absurd to look upon the enormous amount of pain that abounds everywhere in the world, and originates in needs and necessities inseparable from life itself, as serving no purpose at all and the result of mere chance. Each separate misfortune, as it comes, seems, no doubt, to be something exceptional; but misfortune in general is the rule."

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10732/10732-h/10732-h.htm

The game we've been dropped into is rigged in favor of "evil". By its very framework it's corrupt. Man's corruption is merely a function of the mechanism's design. It's geared for exactly such things to occur, and moreso than not.

Assuming biblical history is correct, which I do, before the fall of man, everything was in harmony and there was no death. After the fall of man, the gladiator arena you describe took place. It was man’s sin that corrupted a harmonious world.

Heaven, or reality after Christ comes back, will be a rectifying of man’s corruption and bring us back to that perfect harmony.

Edit: and as with most pessimistic philosophers, Schopenhauer looks to a broken world that man initiated instead of looking to God’s word for answers.

 

[Starman]

This is where Christian religion loses me. Or, at least, the denominations that ascribe to this interpretation of reality.

Man corrupted nothing, the system is designed for such things at the very base level. Remove man and life is still the horror show that it is; it's still a brutal gladiator arena for every living creature - all the way down to the unicellular organisms.

I think Schopenhauer did a good job breaking it down in "studies in pessimism".

"Unless suffering is the direct and immediate object of life, our existence must entirely fail of its aim. It is absurd to look upon the enormous amount of pain that abounds everywhere in the world, and originates in needs and necessities inseparable from life itself, as serving no purpose at all and the result of mere chance. Each separate misfortune, as it comes, seems, no doubt, to be something exceptional; but misfortune in general is the rule."

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10732/10732-h/10732-h.htm

The game we've been dropped into is rigged in favor of "evil". By its very framework it's corrupt. Man's corruption is merely a function of the mechanism's design. It's geared for exactly such things to occur, and moreso than not.

There is a biblical explanation for the existence of evil and the sorrow of man. I'll share it with you if you're looking to have an honest discussion. If you've already decided that no explanation could possibly be satisfactory in your eyes, just let me know up front so we won't both be wasting our time.

 

[luckyshot]

Of course they have a leg to stand on. There's no evidence that the writers of the gospels believed either in the magisterium or that the seven ecumenical councils that created Eastern Orthodox doctrine would get things right.

You mean the writers of the FOUR orthodox gospels... as opposed to the dozens of apochrophal gospels... and remind me again how that distinction got made...?

Also, while you are at it, where is the doctrine of Jesus' full humanity and full divinity contained LITERALLY in scripture? For that matter, where is the doctrine of the Trinity contained LITERALLY in scripture? If these things are "self evident" from scripture-- and every man can read and interpret scripture for himself and reach these conclusions-- why were there many influential heresies that the early Church had to officially suppress and censor? Why did an authoritative interpretation of these doctrines need to be reached by councils of bishops?

For that matter, where is the "doctrine" of "sola scriptura" contained... in scripture, lol?

It must be in the same book that has your Republican healthcare plan to protect pre-existing conditions!

 

[BearGrounds]

To be fair EVERY religion whether it’s Buddhism , Taoism ( more philosophy I know ) , Zoroastriaism etc, has “ suffering “ pre mixed into it . Whether they are a Monotheistic ,dualistic, polytheistic , or animistic one . Some more than others of course .

Rightfully so. I just don't see the logic in blaming man for the design he is a forcefully a part of.

Assuming biblical history is correct, which I do, before the fall of man, everything was in harmony and there was no death. After the fall of man, the gladiator arena you describe took place. It was man’s sin that corrupted a harmonious world.

Heaven, or reality after Christ comes back, will be a rectifying of man’s corruption and bring us back to that perfect harmony.

Edit: and as with most pessimistic philosophers, Schopenhauer looks to a broken world that man initiated instead of looking to God’s word for answers.

How was is that man was made capable of such things, if it were not already a function of the mechanism's design?

There is a biblical explanation for the existence of evil and the sorrow of man. I'll share it with you if you're looking to have an honest discussion. If you've already decided that no explanation could possibly be satisfactory in your eyes, just let me know up front so we won't both be wasting our time.

I'm pretty convinced that my argument has merit. That doesn't mean I've decided im right.

Go ahead and share it, as I'm genuinely interested. I like Christianity, I just don't see the logic in this particular aspect of it.

 

[Texan6533]

How was is that man was made capable of such things, if it were not already a function of the mechanism's design?

Because man was given free will. To choose to love God, not a robot that was created to only be able to choose God. True love means a chosen one not a forced one.