Blame Canada. US insurance spread misinformation about CND health care.

All of that is true
The family doctor wait list is a mile long in Nova Scotia and Clinic doctors get paid per patient seen. They absolutely rush everything. And they prescribe 50 year old cheap medication that no longer is effective half the time lol.
Most doctors get paid per patient and I've rarely felt rushed. Some will try to charge certain fees like doctor's notes for employers or mandatory vaccines provided by their clinic for a fee when you can get them for free elsewhere (happened to my kids with their pediatrician) Those practices got shut down over here fast. Doctors who don't assess their patients properly are at risk for losing their license if they make mistakes and they expose themselves to lawsuits. The problems you're talking about are blown out of proportion.

It's not a perfect system. Some are indeed on a long waiting list to get a family doctor, but they're still covered for services. There are walk-in clinics still available and they will never be turned away at a hospital. Any hospital anywhere in the country. This isn't true in the states. They can show up at any hospital but depending on whether a certain hospital is covered by the person's HMO can come into play. Surgeries or treatments can be denied even if they're covered. Then there is loss of employment and the effect that has on a family and the insecurity that comes with it from a health coverage standpoint.

Canadians live longer on average than Americans. No one is denied health coverage. The quality of service received may vary depending on region but the same can be said in the U.S,. But I would wager that our doctors are just as competent.

The U.S is ahead of Canada in experimental treatment. Most drug trials and new surgeries are conducted in the U.S. and Health Canada always keeps an eye on those results before approving anything over here. I was actually given a chemo protocol that had been designated the standard of care by the American Association of Oncology the day before I was going to start. They had to order new tubing and materials after that announcement because the results were much better (I was beyond lucky). So I'm grateful that U.S the research is very strong and the regulations in place allow for this sort of thing to happen.

But for 99% of health care issues, Canada scores ahead of the U.S by nearly every possible measure.
 
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Most doctors get paid per patient and I've rarely felt rushed. Some will try to charge certain fees like doctor's notes for employers or mandatory vaccines provided by their clinic for a fee when you can get them for free elsewhere (happened to my kids with their pediatrist) Those practices got shut down over here fast. Doctors who don't assess their patients properly are at risk for losing their license if they make mistakes and they expose themselves to lawsuits. The problems you're talking about are blown out of proportion.

We agree that the Canadian system is insanely better than the US's, which is basically no service.

But you're dreaming if you think doctors don't rush. Canadian doctors are rude, try to get you out of the door as quickly as possible, and they don't take any health issues seriously unless you're basically on the verge of death. I know because I'm Canadian and this has been my experience the whole time. Maybe if you're unhealthy and walking in with cancer you meet their "on the verge of death" requirement and they feel sorry for you. Not to mention you're in Quebec, which has among the worst healthcare in the country. How you're supposedly getting good service is beyond me.
 
When did I say we should be taxed 99% of our income?

Yes....they don't work.....except in all the other countries that have healthcare systems.
They "don't work" in America because we have a party that doesn't believe in government. The entire purpose of the Republican party is to make things not work.

He's Canadian. o_O
 
Gotta how ppl like to talk about thing they know nothing about.

canadian health care is pretty bad.

yeah, it’s free and everybody is covered, but service itself is not thst good.

In some provinces there’s a 2 or 3 year waiting period to get a doctor for a yearly check ups and doctors themselves have quotas and have to see x amount of patients per day, which mean they try to get rid of you as quickly as possible.

It’s a good system for poor ppl without a job and retirees who can spend all day at the hospital. For anybody else you’re better off with your own private insurance

US healthcare has the same quota driven system when it come to patients. I believe your 2-3 year waiting period is an outlier. Are you Canadian living in the Yukon?
 
UHC is not free since the tax payers paid for it.

Another problem with socialism is higher taxes.

I think Kennedy would have found out if it worked or not. Those pesky communists...

You know what you don’t pay for in UHC is corporate profits. That alone makes UHC cheaper. Also, we pay for uninsured people everyday through our taxes. UHC like USPS doesn’t need to turn a profit.
 
We agree that the Canadian system is insanely better than the US's, which is basically no service.

But you're dreaming if you think doctors don't rush. Canadian doctors are rude, try to get you out of the door as quickly as possible, and they don't take any health issues seriously unless you're basically on the verge of death. I know because I'm Canadian and this has been my experience the whole time. Maybe if you're unhealthy and walking in with cancer you meet their "on the verge of death" requirement and they feel sorry for you. Not to mention you're in Quebec, which has among the worst healthcare in the country. How you're supposedly getting good service is beyond me.
American doctors are not salaried by the insurance companies as far as I understand and so they're just as incentivized to rush service and charge insurance companies at a higher frequency. Perhaps where they differ is they can charge whatever they want whereas over here it's a flat fee so US doctors can charge more but take their time with some patients.

My family doctor spends an inordinate amount of time with me and this was even before I got cancer. She always pulls out my file and we revisit past issues I've had and she always takes my weight and does a basic health check. I've had kidney stones and I wasn't rushed by neither the ER doctor or the urologist. I've had complications from chemo in between treatments that required me to go to the ER and I did get some doctors that were rushed or were rude but ER doctors are in an environment of having to assess a lot of patients very quickly.

I don't let rude service get to me. I take my time and make sure all my questions are answered before I leave. They can't really kick you out of their office. Sure they can try and nudge you out but until youve asked all your questions it's just them realizing they have to go through the motions until you're satisfied. The onus is on the patient.

But again, my point is that if we compare health care systems as a whole between US and Canada, Canada is cheaper and provides guaranteed access where in America there is system of merit. The ACA allowed coverage for the 20 million that were uninsured which is equivalent to Canada's policy of guaranteed coverage, but now the GOP is trying to repeal it saying it increases everyone's premiums. Canada doesn't have a profit incentive on the delivery of service save for the overhead of running a small family medicine practice but otherwise so we are able to cut costs even when you account for the bureaucratic complexity it creates.
 
Americans can have UHC for the low price of no free speech, gun bans/buy backs/red flags, concentration camps, a far left media and education system, carbon taxes and more legal/illegal immigration and "refugees" for the one party state.

Those that trade freedom for security deserve neither.

Also compare life expectancy in Canada to States and compare the levels of violence. UHC isn't the only thing that determines life expectancy.
 
Such as?

I have to drive an hour and a half for a Drs appointment because I have been unable to get a family doctor in the area I moved to 3 and a half years ago.

Don't you live basically off grid (or close to) in the middle of nowhere tho?
 
I go fishing every year in Canada bout 3-4x a year. Fly into remote places like eagle lake in Ontario and just chill. Anyway I once caught my eye brow and went to some po dunk clinic and was seen immediately for 4 stiches tried to pay and they said we can't take money. Pulled out my indemnity insurance card and they said we cant take that either. Was free for even an American. Pretty good deal and service was great.

I contrast that to my American experiences and it's quite dismal. I had a nervous breakdown at 45. Couldn't even see a triage nurse for 5 hours. Then they stuck me in a room and didnt see a doctor for a day. One week later they gave me prescription for Wellbutrin and a $127,000 bill. Granted insurance paid 90%. But still.

BTW I'm an accountant for a municipality with best insurance there is available to city employees - I pay a premium for it - and still paid 12K for basically a prescription and shitty service. Once you get in the weeds of lessor policies it bankrupts working ppl let alone uninsured.
 
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Any Canadian in this thread claiming they had an illness in Canada, and they can assure you X-Y-Z criticism is a lie, is a liar.
 
Any Canadian in this thread claiming they had an illness in Canada, and they can assure you X-Y-Z criticism is a lie, is a liar.

yeah, if it’s a serious illness you gonna get treated fast. Quality of that treatment is another issue.

there’s a reason why brock went back to USA when he had his intestinal issues and anybody with money in Canada usually goes to USA to get treated.

Again for poor ppl and retirees it’s pretty good system, however if you have a good private plan you’re definitely better off with it instead of universal healthcare
 
I go fishing every year in Canada bout 3-4x a year. Fly into remote places like eagle lake in Ontario and just chill. Anyway I once caught my eye brow and went to some po dunk clinic and was seen immediately for 4 stiches tried to pay and they said we can't take money. Pulled out my indemnity insurance card and they said we cant take that either. Was free for even an American. Pretty good deal and service was great.

I contrast that to my American experiences and it's quite dismal. I had a nervous breakdown at 45. Couldn't even see a triage nurse for 5 hours. Then they stuck me in a room and didnt see a doctor for a day. One week later they gave me prescription for Wellbutrin and a $127,000 bill. Granted insurance paid 90%. But still.

Do you think the system could handle the sudden influx once it's implemented? Do you know what the costs will be?
 
I go fishing every year in Canada bout 3-4x a year. Fly into remote places like eagle lake in Ontario and just chill. Anyway I once caught my eye brow and went to some po dunk clinic and was seen immediately for 4 stiches tried to pay and they said we can't take money. Pulled out my indemnity insurance card and they said we cant take that either. Was free for even an American. Pretty good deal and service was great.

I contars that to my American experiences and it's quite dismal. I had a nervous breakdown at 45. Couldn't even see a triage nurse for 5 hours. Then they stuck me in a room and didnt see a doctor for a day. One week later they gave me prescription for welburtin and a $127,000 bill.

I guess you got lucky there. Canadian system doesn’t cover foreigners.

I heard stories of foreigners going to a hospital thinking it’s free only to be charged 10k
 
How the US insurance lobby created a false fear campaign.
Basically knowing that having a proper single payer health care platform absent of insurance companies is the most economical and compassionate option. The insurance companies formed lobby groups and did their best to plant seeds of doubt within the public.

The sad part is I see many of these hackneyed debunked talking points and wild fantastic false scenarios used as examples of why we can't have UHC.

Here's some transcripts from the podcast that reached out to one of the main founders of this campaign. Much like big oil and big tobacco, they used the tactic of sowing doubt. Not having to be factually correct, and instead flooding the public with misinformation.

Yes and it sadly runs through both sides.


Give me a moderate Democrat that isn’t afraid to be a normal human that advocates for UHC and I’m maybe voting dem. Simple.
 
Higher taxes is not a problem when it is paying for shit that we actually need.

It's amazing how Republicans can just scream "He's going to raise your taxes!" as some kind of legitimate argument against paying for essential shit like healthcare, education, and taking care of the planet that we live on.
It is always just about short-term gains and immediate satisfaction with conservatives. We would save more money overall if we would properly plan and invest our money.

That’s the problem here

lefties always look at things collectively instead of individually.

why would a person who makes good money want to paid higher taxes for a service of lesser quality that he might not even use?

Yeah, it sounds good on paper thst it’s “free”, but are you really gonna get as good quality as you would with private?

Also that doesn’t take into consideration ppl who get their insurance through their employer. Aren’t they much better off than with some universal healthcare?
 
That’s the problem here

lefties always look at things collectively instead of individually.

why would a person who makes good money want to paid higher taxes for a service of lesser quality that he might not even use?

Yeah, it sounds good on paper thst it’s “free”, but are you really gonna get as good quality as you would with private?

Also that doesn’t take into consideration ppl who get their insurance through their employer. Aren’t they much better off than with some universal healthcare?

Higher taxes or insurance premiums/deductibles....either way, you're paying. You only care because they're called "taxes" instead of "premiums".
 
Higher taxes or insurance premiums/deductibles....either way, you're paying. You only care because they're called "taxes" instead of "premiums".
As long as you pay less, whether it's through taxes or through insurance premiums. That's what counts. It's about efficiency, access and quality.
 
Higher taxes or insurance premiums/deductibles....either way, you're paying. You only care because they're called "taxes" instead of "premiums".

but why not let ppl decide what they want, instead of government forcing some uhc on everybody?

Simply don’t get why lefties are so opposed to a 2 tier system that would probably be the most efficient system...
 
That’s the problem here

lefties always look at things collectively instead of individually.

Yes, that requires a shift in mentality. Why do you think it costs less to get insurance through your employer as it would if you went by yourself? When negotiating for a collective policy, the more people you have, the more coverage gets aggregated and drives prices down. It's the same with UHC. Government has more negotiating power with suppliers, collects a lot of real time data, and allocates resources effectively as needed.

why would a person who makes good money want to paid higher taxes for a service of lesser quality that he might not even use?
Quality isn't lesser. That myth has been dispelled countless times. A person who makes good money would want to save money. You save money by switching to UHC as the element of profit is removed, and costs are lowered. This has been demonstrated countless times.

Yeah, it sounds good on paper thst it’s “free”, but are you really gonna get as good quality as you would with private?
Yes. Canada also has supplementary insurance offered by their employer. If the MRI you need from regular coverage in the public sector can only be given in 3 months (which could be the case for non-emergencies), then most people have an option to fork 800.00 out of pocket in the private sector or may even have supplementary insurance that covers 80% of it in order to get it within a week or two. We still have some private options at our disposal. But at least everyone is guaranteed an MRI for free if they want it through the public option. This applies not only to MRI's but to many other services as well. All services are guaranteed if you're a priority. For example, if I need to be assessed for organ damage after a car accident and need an MRI, I would most likely be seen right away. Patients are triaged accordingly.

Also that doesn’t take into consideration ppl who get their insurance through their employer. Aren’t they much better off than with some universal healthcare?
Not necessarily. I don't know enough about the average coverage of someone insured through their employer. But what happens if you lose your job? Doesn't that create an enormous gap between you and your employer where he/she has you by the short and curlies and makes you work unpaid overtime at the risk of firing you (this is a scenario but you know what I mean) ? What about co-pays? Someone WITH decent coverage can still expect to pay several thousands in co-pays if they require cancer treatment.

I get almost everything covered through my UHC. I don't get dental, however. Employers with insurance provides that. My medication is paid for at 80%. Things like cognitive behavioral therapy, physiotherapy and other treatments are mostly provided through the private sector through supplemental insurance, but if I require any of those services (including dental) for emergencies like after recovering from a surgery or after a severe accident, then those treatments are likely provided by the government. But if I have a sore back and need some corrections, I'd probably pay out of pocket. But the vast majority of what I need is covered already through our tax system. And it works.
 
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