BJJ vs strength

[karateisundratd]

BBJ was an art that was developed for smaller guy to submit bigger guys with less skill but how much of a roll strength plays in the effectiveness of BJJ? Maia was easily handled by MW wrestlers on the ground like Weidman and Munoz but he has been submitting ppl left and right at WW. Was it the strength advantage or MW wrestlers were just more skilled?

 

[NRG]

Maia wasn't easily handled by anyone.

 

[Tuf_guy]

Maia vs Mark Henry to settle this. Make it happen Ari Gold.

 

[h0lydiver]

Maia wasn't easily handled by anyone.

not by munoz but weidman had very little trouble cruising to a dec

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Strength certainly plays a roll, depends what type of submissions it is too. If you are a small light guy and a black belt in BJJ.. try doing a kimura to a very strong guy who is athletic and knows BJJ.. it will never work, he will power out of it easily every time. But other subs like rear naked chokes and armbars can work without strength.

Maia had some of those problems at MW as you said because he just couldn't get the guys down, even someone like Anderson who is known to have poor TDD, Maia was never close to getting him down and was just forced to stand.

 

[Huligani]

Royce Gracie

 

[Krixes]

This video is pretty fun... about 9:16 in for pure grappling...

 

[Bacco]

Give wrestler credit, the fact they're strong does'nt negate being skilled

 

[Shamijay]

Grip strength matters a whole deal more in fighting than MMA or BJJ-elitists would like to admit.

Maia has also been described as having gorilla grip strength.

 

[grimballer]

how about Mir vs lesnar n carwin?

Probably more skilled than both, however didn't have the strength to compete

 

[Sole]

 

[deviake]

Strength plays a huge role in grappling. Meow, obviously a smaller person can submit a larger / stronger one, but if their skills skill are anywhere near even the advantage goes to the larger person. In fact size / strength are probably a bigger factor in grappling than striking, which is sort of the irony of it all.

 

[StrikerKing]

how about Mir vs lesnar n carwin?

Probably more skilled than both, however didn't have the strength to compete

Mir has great offensive submissions, but he sucks at defense while on the ground. He got pounded out by Ian Freeman among others.

 

[DaPunkMinowaMan]

BBJ was an art that was developed for smaller guy to submit bigger guys with less skill but how much of a roll strength plays in the effectiveness of BJJ? Maia was easily handled by MW wrestlers on the ground like Weidman and Munoz but he has been submitting ppl left and right at WW. Was it the strength advantage or MW wrestlers were just more skilled?

"Wresters need a lesson in submission and I'm just the one to teach them." -Frank Shamrock

 

[LogicalError]

not by munoz but weidman had very little trouble cruising to a dec

That was a sloppy kickboxing match. Maia refocused on utilizing grappling, thus why he barely even strikes now, just drags them to the ground and turns into an anaconda or a backpack. His dismantling of Condit was a masterpiece considering how good Condit is as a guard player.

 

[LogicalError]

"Wresters need a lesson in submission and I'm just the one to teach them." -Frank Shamrock

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-Kenny Florian

 

[TheLastEmperorReurns]

BBJ was an art that was developed for smaller guy to submit bigger guys with less skill but how much of a roll strength plays in the effectiveness of BJJ? Maia was easily handled by MW wrestlers on the ground like Weidman and Munoz but he has been submitting ppl left and right at WW. Was it the strength advantage or MW wrestlers were just more skilled?

Very little of Maia/Munoz/Weidman was on the ground.

The most that either of them did against Maia was take him down (which isn't surprising since they are better wrestlers) and sit in top control until the round ended.

He was still able to take down & submit Sonnen in the 1st round- one of the bigger & better power-wrestlers of MW history.

 

[TheLastEmperorReurns]

This video is pretty fun... about 9:16 in for pure grappling...

big guy seems to have a natural talent/feel for submission grappling.

 

[HockeyBjj]

This video is pretty fun... about 9:16 in for pure grappling...

Little dude was waaaayyyy too tentative on the feet

Looks like a 2-3 stripe whitebelt in the Bjj section

 

[cambo78]

Ehhh, Rolls and Rickson noticed the importance of "strength" in grappling and are considered the two best ever in the Gracie family. Helio even called Rickson "the bear". Rickson got many of his strength exercises from Rolls. "Strength" in BJJ is certainly an attribute. That's why many, (not all) top, no-gi competitors almost look like amateur bodybuilders.