bjj v judo

Sauron said:
It was more like 3 months

I had some previous grappling experience, plus i a have an aggressive style and go all out trying nearly every technique i'd learned up until that point. i think judges like that. Alot of guys in their first gradings are really tentative and end up stiff arming each other.
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Can you explain theese gradings? Do you just sparr? Cuz when I get a new belt(once ever half year) we drill the throws for that level and our BB will tell us if we're good enough to pass.
 
Wow. That second video of the "black belt line-up" was very disappointing. I personally know green belts who randori at least that well. The dude's tomoe nage sucked. Yikes. Weak!
 
At first I was gonna say: "Yaaay!!!! Another opportunity for some insecure BJJers to beat their chest about how cool they are, about how "judo guys" get pwned by BJJers and how cr@p the Judo ground game really is. Do I detect a desperate need for validation???"

Then I thought: Big freaking deal. The only thing the vid shows is that most judoka are not prepared to handle a "ground specialist" because judo is so focussed on standup.

These green belts have spent practically no time training on the ground. They've been taught to turtle, wait & then stand back up. Their aim and focus has been to get a clean throw to score.

Did this guy win the comp? Or are we only seeing a few fights against weaker opponents. If so, I can probably supply some video of a competitive judoka sandbagging in a local BJJ comp & winning against some recreational players.. But what will THAT prove.

I imagine if BJJers TRULY are so dominant in Judo competitions, we'll soon see many BJJers winning Nationals and going to Worlds and Olympics.... Right?
 
Bubble Boy said:
Wow. That second video of the "black belt line-up" was very disappointing. I personally know green belts who randori at least that well. The dude's tomoe nage sucked. Yikes. Weak!
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Ugh. I could only watch a few minutes of that one.

What is this - "show crappy judo videos week" or something? If so - I'll dredge up videos of my last few competitions .....:wink:
 
judogido said:
Ugh. I could only watch a few minutes of that one.

What is this - "show crappy judo videos week" or something? If so - I'll dredge up videos of my last few competitions .....:wink:
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Yeah, but can you look like crap against novice players like I do? Now that takes talent.
That second video made my stomach turn. The tester was so jigotai and defensive.
And what's your take on that postage stamp competition space of the first videos?

Steeltwo, now that you mention it, I have seen special rules in novice divisions that allow armbars...
 
quick question, IF I was a black in BJJ and that wil take about 10 years the way I am going (and I am being nice to myself).

And I then entered the olympics in Judo I take it they wouldn't stand for that shit, if I knew all the rules.

I mean if u had a friend in Judo and he owned a dojo and like Gary goodridge gave you a BB in judo for free (although he got it for some Korea art if I remember right), so you still will be a offical BB in Judo, would that be enough.
 
Bubble Boy said:
Yeah, but can you look like crap against novice players like I do? Now that takes talent.
That second video made my stomach turn. The tester was so jigotai and defensive.
And what's your take on that postage stamp competition space of the first videos?

Steeltwo, now that you mention it, I have seen special rules in novice divisions that allow armbars...
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Oh, I can look crap against just about anyone - dont worry. I did not notice anything out of the ordinary with the competition area but I was too busy groaning at the n00bs stumbling about & getting pwned by the BJJer.

I've fought a BJJ black belt before in a judo comp (at least - I think he said he was a BJJ BB). He was a blue belt judoka and told me he had not trained in judo for a while. I managed to throw him for a crappy ippon & to his credit, he actually tried to give me a judo fight rather than just going to ground. I have the video around here somewhere still.

Dont forget - not all competitions have "novice" divisions with limited rules. In Australia, general competition rules apply including subs once you are over 16. They might separate graded-players from novice - but the rules are the same.

At state comps, you must be orange belt & over to compete - but you get thrown in one division - fighting browns, blacks & everyone else. You're thrown in the deep end - swim or sink.
 
abhi said:
quick question, IF I was a black in BJJ and that wil take about 10 years the way I am going (and I am being nice to myself).

And I then entered the olympics in Judo I take it they wouldn't stand for that shit, if I knew all the rules.

I mean if u had a friend in Judo and he owned a dojo and like Gary goodridge gave you a BB in judo for free (although he got it for some Korea art if I remember right), so you still will be a offical BB in Judo, would that be enough.
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Short Answer:
In Canada,
You'd need to first be selected to a Provincial team by your performance at Provincial tournaments. Second, you'd have to make the national team (Win nationals, and compete and place in international level tournaments ie. Pan Ams, US Open, European tournaments (Francaphone games, Paris Open, Finish Open, British Open, etc, etc). Then you'd have to qualify for the Olympics; which in Canada used to mean a top 14 ranking in your division in the world (which would require placings at A level competitions). So, a BB in BJJ, no matter how great (or godish like for the Sherdog 'huggers)would have quite a bit of hoop jumping to go through and dedicate quite a bit of his/her life to Judo in order to fight at the Olympics.
 
KDawg said:
Short Answer:
In Canada,
You'd need to first be selected to a Provincial team by your performance at Provincial tournaments. Second, you'd have to make the national team (Win nationals, and compete and place in international level tournaments ie. Pan Ams, US Open, European tournaments (Francaphone games, Paris Open, Finish Open, British Open, etc, etc). Then you'd have to qualify for the Olympics; which in Canada used to mean a top 14 ranking in your division in the world (which would require placings at A level competitions). So, a BB in BJJ, no matter how great (or godish like for the Sherdog 'huggers)would have quite a bit of hoop jumping to go through and dedicate quite a bit of his/her life to Judo in order to fight at the Olympics.
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BUT u got to admit that would be great if he OR she won the gold at Judo OR wrestling and said at the very end.

Hell I did it all for BJJ but then againand I proved BJJ was the best I wouldn't be surprised if the gracies then all jumped in and said '' YEAH WE'RE THE GRAICES ''
 
fozzit said:
Really Now?

You know there are three ways to win a judo competition: Pin, perfect throw, submission.

People have been taking it to the ground since the kodokan started, and all it is is a different strategy to win a judo competition.
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For YOUR information, pulling guard is illegal in Judo and is rewarded with a penalty. Do this 4 times and you lose via hansoku make. Get this sort of reputation, and they'll promote you so that you get your ass kicked by higher level opponents.

fozzit said:
at my school its white to brown.. In japan its white to black...


so booo hoooooooooo
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Really Now?

ACTUALLY! In Japan there are 3 belts (until 5th dan): white (6-3 kyu), Brown (1-2 kyu), and black.

Because of the guidelines of US Judo, this also tells me that you belong to the wrong affiliation (or they are just not following proper grading criteria).
 
abhi said:
BUT u got to admit that would be great if he OR she won the gold at Judo OR wrestling and said at the very end.

Hell I did it all for BJJ but then againand I proved BJJ was the best I wouldn't be surprised if the gracies then all jumped in and said '' YEAH WE'RE THE GRAICES ''
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1. I have no idea what you are trying to say
2. A pure BJJ BB winning the olympics for Judo would never happen... I'd love to see a Gracie in even a lower level international tournament (say the US Open). They wouldn't have a prayer. The only way they'd have any sort of chance is if they actually trained Judo for a few years (and I don't mean with BJJers at a club... I mean TRAIN JUDO).
3. What you and many others don't realize is that Judo is a stand-up oriented sport... sure there is a lot of ne-waza (some of us are great at newaza); however, with 3-5 seconds to improve position before a stand-up, a Judoka's "quick hit" groundwork game is more effective than a BJJers in a JUDO competition. The biggest thing that you overlook is that Judo's stand up is much more complicated than takedowns. I could write a book on the complexity.
4. Judo is more of a power game than BJJ. I don't think that a BJJ fighter would have the upper body strength to excel at a high level in Judo
5. In all reality, a national calibre wrestler would have a higher chance of success in Judo than any BJJ fighter. This is a fact.
 
You can get away with pulling guard if you know how. ie; "pretend" to go for a tomoe-nage and "miss" ooops - now I have you in guard.

You wont get away with it forever (will depend on the ref) - but it is possible.
 
I dunno if judo is more a strength thing than BJJ. It probably is I guess. It is definitely physically more demanding in terms of cardio, balance & explosive power, but strength?

Id rather fight a strong guy than a technical guy. Technical blokes are so "slippery" & dangerous. You think you have them, & then you're toast. You try and grab them to grind them down - & they wont let you grip. You TRY to grip - & you're toast again. There's that horrible feeling of unpredictability - that sense of "any second now he's gonna do something - but WHAT?" At the top level, strength becomes secondary to skill.
 
okay that judo guy was beyond horrible

i think we know where he got his belt from--www.ebay.com

the BJJ guy was pretty good, but this is a judo comp. here, do judo
 
it's sad to think that the guy in white is now a judo black belt

for the record he won 5 by sub, one by pin and one by ippon

I seriously wouln't even bother going for the black unless i was throwing people all over the place.
 
Jaggulat1on said:
Can you explain theese gradings? Do you just sparr? Cuz when I get a new belt(once ever half year) we drill the throws for that level and our BB will tell us if we're good enough to pass.
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yep, first you learn your theory, if your instructor is satisfied he signs you off

You go to the regional grading whenever it is scheduled, like once every 3-4 months for that particular region and then you go and it's basically a competition. You fight in 3-4 matches and they judge you and see if you're fit for promotion. It's not hard to jump belts in the beginning but slows down as you get closer to black.
 
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