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BJJ Manifesto - Content and Review

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Luther, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. Luther

    Luther Green Belt

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    OK, so now BJJ Manifesto is out and looks interesting. Most of us also know that Rob and Matt are legit and good grapplers.

    BJJ Manifesto

    There are a couple of clips floating around:

    What time is it grip
    Shoulder pressure

    Up until now I just saw "it's awesome" type reviews. Before buying I'd like to see a more in depth explanation of why the book is so awesome and/or at least a "table of content". Also how many pages has the ebook? Is the font large with big spacing? Is the text dense? ecc...

    Any help?
     
  2. Freezing Winds**

    Freezing Winds** Green Belt

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    lol, nice title. makes it seem like the TS would have a review of the product, but it is one of your threads so I should have known better.

    you still waiting for the grappling gameplan?
     
  3. oyaji poi

    oyaji poi oyaji belt

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    i think it was only 40 pages, so about $1 a page.
     
  4. Luther

    Luther Green Belt

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    47$ for 40 pages is a lot.

    I know there is the private lesson bonus, but I'm too far from them to be useful.

    So nobody wants to spill the bean?
     
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  5. Mumrik

    Mumrik Silver Belt

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    $47 for 40 pages?

    That's rape.

    They even use a picture of a book that's cleary 200+ pages all over the website. This is shady as hell.
     
  6. Brian McLaughlin

    Brian McLaughlin Green Belt Professional Fighter

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    The book is written by my coach Rob Kahn and reflects his uniqe style of Jiu-Jitsu. The greatest asset of this book is that it shows you how to impose your will on your opponent. Rob's head pressure game FROCES your opponent to make a mistake. They are going to expose their arms or neck in response to the incredible amount of force you create. The incredible thing is that this force is actually effortless.

    The submissions are simple, but the idea of forcing or tricking your opponent into iving you the openings make all the difference. I actually just covered this concept in my class last night. My students were shocked at how much pressure even the smallest members of the class were able to create once they were shown the proper method.

    I've watched Rob and Matt easily catch some of the toughest grapplers around with the very things they are teaching in this book. Your game is going to grow and do so quickly.

    Also there is a money back guarantee! You have nothing to risk or lose and everything to gain.
     
  7. Freezing Winds**

    Freezing Winds** Green Belt

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    it has a low page count but a lot of videos come with it from what i heard.
     
  8. Luther

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    Thanks for your feedback Brian (and congrats on your black belt).

    Would you mind sharing with us the book's table of content?

    I don't think it's asking too much for a book.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  9. Brian McLaughlin

    Brian McLaughlin Green Belt Professional Fighter

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    I don't want to step on Rob or Matt's toes - I think your inquiry would be best sent to them at [email protected]

    I've been around the block as far as BJJ instruction goes and I know this book will help anyone who invests in it. By seeking out information about the book it shows that you are interested in a book that can improve your BJJ, so my advice to you is to order the book and thank me later.

    Don't forget, if you don't believe me, there is a MONEY BACK Guarantee.
     
  10. Flounder

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    I haven't gotten the Manifesto yet, but I've been using the "shoulder of justice" for quite a while. I saw a youtube video of Rob Kahn showing that during a class, and actually choked the guy out he was demoing it on just from the shoulder pressure. I can say that one move alone helped my side control game quite a bit. It's so brutal, that the person on the bottom almost begs for you to mount them to make it stop. My only complaint is that it's been labeled a "dick move" to use on training partners.
     
  11. matzah

    matzah Blue Belt

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    I hear Rob Kahn's top game is deadly.

    $47 for a book, videos, and a private lesson? Sounds pretty good to me. And the production quality of the videos TS posted were pretty awesome. I can never watch an instructional with poor video and sound quality, no matter who is teaching or how awesome the technique is.

    Looks like a definite buy for me.

    EDIT: I also love that they are focusing on strategy over specific techniques. Being exposed to tons of black belt strategy is a great tool.
     
  12. Luther

    Luther Green Belt

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    I understand the money back guarantee, but this is the kind of marketing (secrets, bonus material, free privates/seminars that most will not use, ecc.) I don't like. I know that this style is effective, but with me it has the opposite effect: I usually buy every book about BJJ without a second though, but I've a really hard time to make this purchase. OTOH even if I don't buy the book I make threads, and publicize it, so I guess the marketing does its job nonetheless.

    Anyway, without digressing too much, from the excerpts and clips I've seen it's nothing new for me. I don't mean that the content is poor, but I've been involved in grappling for many years, so maybe it's not useful to me.

    I continue to be undecided because I know Rob is very good (a friend of mine trained with him). Following your suggestion, I sent them email requesting the table of content.
     
  13. anaconda

    anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    You should listen to the Lloyd Irvin interview on the fightworks podcast. I also hate that marketing style as I feel it cheapens whatever product is being sold.

    The way Lloyd explained it was that it is the most effective marketing style available. It is so effective that it is used by "snake oil salesmen," or basically those pedaling trash products. However, the style itself is incredibly effective and thats why he said he uses it.

    Just because it is used to market crap doesn't mean it is marketing crap.

    I have nothing to say about this product bc I don't know anything about it but just a though about the marketing. I agree though, I hate that style of marketing. I feel like it appeals to the lowest common denominator (which I guess is kind of the point).
     
  14. MMA MATT

    MMA MATT White Belt

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    Hey Guys, Its Arroyo...I understand that $47 dollars sounds
    like a lot for a 42 page book...We definitely could have fluffed it
    up like most people do and made it 100 pages...but we are not
    professional writers and we just wanted to get our point across
    as concise as possible...It's not just a book, it also has 12 videos
    in it showing you examples every strategy we write about...Like someone said
    earlier about how good the quality of our videos are....thats not cheap!!
    Also, The bonus videos have over 45 minutes of extra techniques for
    you as well...So you get a book and video instructionals...
    So Yes, Its $47 dollars, which is cheaper then it costs to take your girl
    friend or wife out to dinner for one night at a nice place....and it will
    do wonders for your Jiu Jitsu!! and if you read the WHOLE THING and dont
    like it, email me and say Matt...this sucks...Give me my money back...
    YOU GOT IT!! I dont want your money if it doesn't help you...We've sold hundreds
    and hundreds already and we have been getting a lot of positive emails so
    its all good either way!! thanks for your interest and I hope that if you decide
    to check it out, that It helps you too!!
     
  15. Luther

    Luther Green Belt

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    Agree with you, I listened to the podcast, and even if I understand why the marketing is effective (and used), it draws my attention away from the product.

    As a comparison, someone in a previous thread mentioned another book about bjj strategy by Jacare Cavalcanti: not only I bought it spending about the same as BJJ Manifesto (after shipping and taxes), but I also had to spend time tracking it down, sending emails to Alliance and different vendors, because it's out of stock.

    For anyone interested, I'm still reading through it:
    Budovideos.com - BJJ Fighting Strategies Book by Romero "Jacare" Cavalcanti
     
  16. anaconda

    anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    Dude, I asked about that book in the thread too but I forgot. Thanks for the link!

    Please PM me later and tell me how you like it.
     
  17. YellowFury

    YellowFury Blue Belt

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    i'm not sure if it's been covered before, but with the videos is it just streamed through the internet, or can i download them and keep them for myself?
     
  18. MMA MATT

    MMA MATT White Belt

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    it is streamed through one of my websites...If I allowed people to
    download them, they would be all over youtube the next day...that
    would not be good for us, lol
     
  19. HomerPlata

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    Eye. Ron. Nick.
     
  20. MMA MATT

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    yes it does
     

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