bjj legends vs today's bjj wizards

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by JaseL29**, Jun 11, 2008.

  1. JaseL29**

    JaseL29** Guest

    In sports like basketball, boxing, football, etc., sports that fall under these categories require youth, strength, stamina and others..you can be doing it for decades but eventually your game will fall due to age..when people hear about martial arts, theres always the master and that master is always considered the 'invincible' or the 'great'..you take a look at judo mifune, he was in his 70's and still impossible to take down in judo competition.

    In BJJ, theres a lot of new guys coming in with phenomenal skills. I've never seen Rickson Gracie, Rigan Machado, Rorion Gracie, and other 45+ years old BJJ masters compete at that age. How do you think the legends would do in a BJJ match with guys like Marcelo, Roger, Jacare, Xande Ribiero, Moraes, etc?
     
  2. doritobytko

    doritobytko Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    tampa
    i dunno. im not a grappling expert but i would say they would do ok. those guys have been in the game so long, they pay attention when there is a buzz about a new technique. they might be old school, but im sure they've seen it all
     
  3. doritobytko

    doritobytko Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    195
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    tampa
    they'd definitely do better than my ass!
     
  4. gpop727

    gpop727 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    May 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,470
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Houston
    Marc Laimon thinks that the old guys like Royce would be destroyed by the "wizards" of today. He went on to say that Royce would be equivalent to a blue belt. I don't agree with that comment but I think BJJ has evolved enough to have the new guys beat the prime old guys
     
  5. Systemanoob**

    Systemanoob** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,626
    Likes Received:
    0
    Marc Laimon said Royce is a blue belt and Mark Coleman is a brown belt. Go figure.
     
  6. GTwrestling

    GTwrestling Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    378
    Likes Received:
    0
    Marc Kaimon does look pretty bad ass on those old UFC videos trying to explain basic BJJ moves

    "it is called a Kimura, because Kimura broke Helio Gracie's arm with it, in Brazil, many years ago"
     
  7. Who's Next

    Who's Next Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Messages:
    1,131
    Likes Received:
    37
    I'd say all wizards over legens except Rickson Gracie.
     
  8. OneInchPunch

    OneInchPunch Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    Messages:
    1,917
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    On your shoulder holding a pitchfork telling you t
    Rickson by arm bar.
     
  9. Mystic

    Mystic Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,343
    Likes Received:
    103
    Location:
    TN
    I think strength might be the deciding factor and you would have to assume the legends would gas faster. Anyway the wizards wouldn't know jack without the legends teaching them so hopefully they are respectful to who are passing knowledge.
     
  10. Renzo Gracie NH

    Renzo Gracie NH Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Messages:
    6,673
    Likes Received:
    94
    Location:
    Daegu, South Korea
    Paulo Filho trained with Rickson somewhat recently and said that he has never felt such incredible technique and guys at Renzo's academy in NY have incredible respect for his technique so I be there would be some competitive match ups
     
  11. TankPuncher1432

    TankPuncher1432 Black Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2006
    Messages:
    5,170
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Computer or Bed
    Hard to tell but legends would do hell of a job
     
  12. LiT_WiCK

    LiT_WiCK Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2007
    Messages:
    3,216
    Likes Received:
    47
    I think they would win
     
  13. bambambigelow

    bambambigelow Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2004
    Messages:
    1,931
    Likes Received:
    21
    It depends if they've been keeping up with their craft. It doesn't seem like Royce kept learning BJJ since he started fighting MMA. He taught but didn't practice enough himself. That's one of the problems with teaching though.

    If you look at the instructions they were giving out on TUF1 it was all very basic...stuff that you should have learned on the first day of BJJ and Muay Thai class. The two styles are still taught the same, but guys like Laimon, Bravo, and Paulson have added little things here and there and changed or use different methods in other places. Most of it doesn't really work for most people, but it works for them. I think the best guys out there are those who are technical, strong, and fast. Guys who have superior top games, such as Jacare and Penn. When I see Ricksons students pulling guard over and over I can't help but wonder wtf he's teaching them. That certainly wasn't his style.
     
  14. Grappler33

    Grappler33 Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    219
    Likes Received:
    0
    Laimon is a badass, but he seems to despise every single member of the Gracie family. He started with them, and I guess they used to beat up on him pretty bad from what I heard, so there's contempt there.

    As for his comment regarding Royce, he's definitely not top tier anymore, but to say he's just a blue belt is inaccurate. Royce is still good, but he would get smashed against the best BJJ guys now.
     
  15. Grappler33

    Grappler33 Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    219
    Likes Received:
    0
    Laimon is a badass, but he seems to despise every single member of the Gracie family. He started with them, and I guess they used to beat up on him pretty bad from what I heard, so there's contempt there.

    As for his comment regarding Royce, he's definitely not top tier anymore, but to say he's just a blue belt is inaccurate. Royce is still good, but he would get smashed against the best BJJ guys now.
     
  16. xocgx

    xocgx Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2005
    Messages:
    624
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    New Jersey
    I actually just had a seminar tonight with Royler Gracie. He certainly brings us moves every year from Brazil since BJJ evolves, but I think the comparison is unfair.

    BJJ is like science. Copernicus was obviously a genius in his day, but his knowledge doesn't compare to Stephen Hawking because Hawking's knowledge is basically an improvement on Copernicus'. Same with Marcelo Garcia. He is likely better than Royce in Royce's prime, but there'd be no Marcelo w/out Royce (just like Laimon would have no career sans the Gracies).
     
  17. Blitz55

    Blitz55 WILLOW

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    24,582
    Likes Received:
    114
    Location:
    Washington State
    I have nothing to say other than the TS's Avatar scared the shit out of me.
     
  18. EricBfromIowa

    EricBfromIowa Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2008
    Messages:
    3,944
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    West Burbs, Chicago
    I would have to go with the newer generation. They have the benefit of learning from the legends AND more modern competition oriented BJJ. Add the extreme conditioning and you have a recipe for disaster. No disrespect to the legends, but hopefully they live by the principal that a teacher has only done his job when the students surpass them.
     
  19. ozne99

    ozne99 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    May 22, 2008
    Messages:
    868
    Likes Received:
    0
    In my eyes, Marcelo Garcia is the best BJJ wiz in the world.
     
  20. jjwvic

    jjwvic Green Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2007
    Messages:
    1,133
    Likes Received:
    59
    Location:
    texas
    they would lose
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.