News BJJ exposed once again

[seau45]

Dana protecting Greg Hardy but not Kron lol

 

[tramendous]

I always understood this slogan as Sambo being a combination of both wrestling and submission grappling and BJJ being just submission grappling. In other words, a Sambo(-ka? -ist?) has to learn both while the BJJ guy can get away with just focusing on the submission grappling aspect. From this PoV, the message on the shirt is not wrong: Sambo requires you to learn a broader spectrum of skills.

Sambo is basically mma. You get punched and kicked in sambo.

 

[Isthat-yo bop]

You're in complete denial of reality then cuz the top end of MMA is crawling with wrestlers and BJJ specialists are nearly nonexistant.



Isn't top end competition BJJ just a massive unregulated juicefest these days?
I sense someone who has spent a lot of time and money on BJJ classes and lifestyle accessories...

Just admit that there are probably 5 clean wrestlers in the history of mma? When Usada came around all that lay and pray shit got stalled . All wrestlers are on the sauce admit it !!

 

[Bearknuckle]

Pure BJJ is great, if ur opponent is trash or has no idea whats going on.

True story, i wrestled throughout high school, got pretty far state wise. My knowledge of submissions or bjj was from watching mma. Just rolled for fun with friends doing submission wrestling no gi.

My friend whos a blue belt in bjj could not submit me. Everytime his face was left open i would pretend to be throwing punches at him lol. My wrestling and basic knowledge of submissions just kept him from doing anything.

 

[Foxflechette57]

If freestyle wrestling was easy it would be called Sambo.

There’s a reason you don’t see Sambo guys at the top of grappling promotions.

they are all complementary

 

[snugglecakes]

The gracies need to fuckin give up on the 1 dimensional BJJ gimmick they got goin. It’s cool n all that they wrap a white belt around babies on their literal birthday but they need to start training them in the full MMA arsenal right from birth instead of BJJ only and then they end up extremely behind in striking and wrestling by the time they start MMA If they ever do.
If yur going to start teaching martial arts to a baby.. why would u only teach them 1 aspect and not even start them in the others pretty much well... ever.. then it’s up to then to go seek out striking training of some sort n by then they are too far behind the curve.

 

[quebert]

LOL Did you just woke up from 2008 and watch this fight?
Ok, this is what's going on here:
Cub Swanson is not even close to be ranked in the top 15 and was coming of 4 losses in a row
The last guy this Gracie faced was already a veteran of 20+ fights in the UFC and he beat him
This Gracie fought Kawajiri in Japan nearly 4 years ago and beat him. He has been around enough time, he is just not active.

The dude just got exposed for being one-dimensional, that's all. Was going to happen sooner or later. A one-dimensional BJJ gets exposed once again in the UFC.

Cub 4 loses, 2 were good fighters 1 was an ex champ who's still good and one's a possible future champ. Since forever he's pretty much only lost to the best of best. And he's beaten a lot of elite dudes. You can't compare Cub to Carceres, Caceres hasn't fought close to the same caliber of fighters that Cub has.

Cub has 21 fights since 2010 and since then has lost to:
Mendes
Lamas
Burgos
Carniro
Ortega
Edgar x2
Holloway

He didn't get exposed tonight, he's a dude with 5 fights who fought an elite fighter who has 37 fights. Regardless of Cub losing 4 in a row prior - just look who he lost too those fights, no shame there. This fight showed what any sane fan already knew. Kron wasn't ready for this level of competition yet. People downplay how good Swanson is. He still probably only loses to the likes of a Holloway, Edgar or Aldo.

 

[KoreanZawmbie]

lmao, they use to say wrestling wasn't important, all you needed was BJJ. Ask Eddie Bravo, all you need is some rubber guard, and you'll beat anyone. Interesting.

 

[TrueFightFan]

It's sad to see someone like Kron dedicate so much time and energy into BJJ only to get exposed in MMA. He had no idea how to get the fight to the ground because he has no wrestling or judo skills.. He looked like a complete amateur. At his age I think it's too late for him to try and learn wrestling, he should consider going back to BJJ events where they have a gentlemen's agreement to start the match on the ground.

I think Kron would even struggle in a pure grappling match and would be exposed if he was ever to grapple someone like Makhachev.

It's fair to say that BJJ isn't as compatible as Wrestling or Sambo in relation to MMA.

exposed? Not really. Swanson just demonstrated great self defense .

 

[clutchCAT420]

Mur jj> Brazil jj

 

[Fossor]

BJJ is dying!

 

[corrupted]

If you can't get the fight to the ground, it doesn't matter what you could do when there. Same as a pure striker. If you can't stay on your feet, you can't do shit.

Sounds obvious I know, but you'd imagine someone would tell these Gracies to check and kick and drill some takedowns.

Like Roger before him.

 

[Gmork]

I always understood this slogan as Sambo being a combination of both wrestling and submission grappling and BJJ being just submission grappling. In other words, a Sambo(-ka? -ist?) has to learn both while the BJJ guy can get away with just focusing on the submission grappling aspect. From this PoV, the message on the shirt is not wrong: Sambo requires you to learn a broader spectrum of skills.

Sambo is fucking Judo without pants.

 

[Gmork]

Precisely because of that: BJJ prowess didn't grant the BJJ practitioner the ability needed to take the fight to the ground... and you need to take the fight to the ground to use BJJ. You can win UFC gold by being a primarily striking specialist. You can win UFC gold by being a primarily wrestling specialist. Where is the BJJ specialist who can win UFC gold?

Fabricio Werdum.

 

[Sir Punchalot]

BJJ exposed in a fight where we saw just about zero BJJ. Right. Sherdog strikes again.

 

[fortheo]

Pure BJJ is great, if ur opponent is trash or has no idea whats going on.

True story, i wrestled throughout high school, got pretty far state wise. My knowledge of submissions or bjj was from watching mma. Just rolled for fun with friends doing submission wrestling no gi.

My friend whos a blue belt in bjj could not submit me. Everytime his face was left open i would pretend to be throwing punches at him lol. My wrestling and basic knowledge of submissions just kept him from doing anything.

blue belt isn't highly ranked at all and can be earned in 2 years. It's normal for a good high school wrestler who has wrestled for 4 years or more to be able to go into a bjj gym and have success with blue belts.

Mat time is mat time, and blue belts probably had 1/2 the amount of mat time you had. Try rolling with a purple or brown belt next time. Also, all blue belts are not equal. It's possible your friend sucked.

 

[RNC555]

Wrong, it's not fundamental to have. What is actually fundamental is submission defense and you don't need to train BJJ to learn that. Do not equate submission grappling in its entirety with BJJ, it's disrespectful to other martial arts like Judo, Sambo or catch.

Not only that, You don't need to train bjj to learn submissions, positions or sweeps.

Basically you don't need to train bjj at all. It's only because it's more accessible to everyone that guys spam bjj.

 

[Magnum1978]

lol no. BJJ is still absolutely essential

Fighters with ONLY one real skill, regardless of what it is will get exposed

If you took a NCAA wrestler with no striking or BJJ - wow, they'd be KO'd or subbed quick smart.

Kron did pretty well all things considered against a long time well rounded veteran who was top 5 at FW a year ago.