News BJJ exposed once again

[dethmanrulz]

bjj wasnt even used in the fights though

Exactly.

 

[YourfatherII]

I think it was clear that a 5-0 fighter against a 20 plus fight veteran in Cub was outmatched, and didn’t have the experience to compete. Why did this book this nonsense fight? Kron should have fought a few more lower level guys until he deserved a match with Cub, or someone like him.

 

[Isthat-yo bop]

He just had a terrible gameplan . I have bjj ahead of wrestling still . A bjj specialist will be more successful then a pure wrestler. Guys have gotten too good at using the wall to stand up, and idgaf what anyone says a lot of wrestlers well majority were fucking juicing . It’s too taxing to be a pure wrestler . U can be bjj guy and just fall into some shit . And yes all of those wrestlers were fucking juicing : Sean Sherk, Jon Fitch , jake , Hendo, mark Coleman , Jon Jones , a bunch of Russians , chad mendes.

 

[Greg House]

I think it was clear that a 5-0 fighter against a 20 plus fight veteran in Cub was outmatched, and didn’t have the experience to compete. Why did this book this nonsense fight? Kron should have fought a few more lower level guys until he deserved a match with Cub, or someone like him.

LOL Did you just woke up from 2008 and watch this fight?
Ok, this is what's going on here:
Cub Swanson is not even close to be ranked in the top 15 and was coming of 4 losses in a row
The last guy this Gracie faced was already a veteran of 20+ fights in the UFC and he beat him
This Gracie fought Kawajiri in Japan nearly 4 years ago and beat him. He has been around enough time, he is just not active.

The dude just got exposed for being one-dimensional, that's all. Was going to happen sooner or later. A one-dimensional BJJ gets exposed once again in the UFC.

 

[TheMaster]

It's sad to see someone like Kron dedicate so much time and energy into BJJ only to get exposed in MMA. He had no idea how to get the fight to the ground because he has no wrestling or judo skills.. He looked like a complete amateur. At his age I think it's too late for him to try and learn wrestling, he should consider going back to BJJ events where they have a gentlemen's agreement to start the match on the ground.

I think Kron would even struggle in a pure grappling match and would be exposed if he was ever to grapple someone like Makhachev.

It's fair to say that BJJ isn't as compatible as Wrestling or Sambo in relation to MMA.

Only partly true since Swanson is a BJJ bb himself.
Its true that plodding forward like a zombie reminiscent of a Royce or Rickson tribute act is not gonna cut it today tho. He got beat up on the feet against a mediocre striker.

And pure BJJ was really only half a grappling system anyway. It needs Judo or wrestling to make it complete.

i love BJJ but its a legit F tier sport. U have literal D level athlete Gordon Ryan completely taking the sport by storm. U have some of his fellow D- level blue belts beating long time 20+ yr black belt legends after less than 2 years turaining

Which blackbelt legends are u talking about getting tapped by guys with less than 2 years training?

 

[caesar]

As someone else said, without BJJ you don't get anywhere in MMA so it's not "exposed". Any single martial art isn't enough. Was wrestling "exposed" when Masvidal knocked out Askren?

It's not exposed, just don't need to waste so much time on it, things like omoplatas, gogoplatas, homoplatas, zuluplatas, lol, or whatever whizzer techniques there are, the next fad in the arsenal lol,...nah,...stick to suples bag work, dummy throws, and core wrestling drills, ridiculous to be drilling subs that can get easily countered, not that time now.

 

[Xuh]

He just had a terrible gameplan . I have bjj ahead of wrestling still . A bjj specialist will be more successful then a pure wrestler.

You're in complete denial of reality then cuz the top end of MMA is crawling with wrestlers and BJJ specialists are nearly nonexistant.

Guys have gotten too good at using the wall to stand up, and idgaf what anyone says a lot of wrestlers well majority were fucking juicing . It’s too taxing to be a pure wrestler . U can be bjj guy and just fall into some shit . And yes all of those wrestlers were fucking juicing : Sean Sherk, Jon Fitch , jake , Hendo, mark Coleman , Jon Jones , a bunch of Russians , chad mendes.

Isn't top end competition BJJ just a massive unregulated juicefest these days?
I sense someone who has spent a lot of time and money on BJJ classes and lifestyle accessories...

 

[Kinniku]

BJJ is turning into a 'traditional' martial art with all of its dedication to techniques that are quickly becoming useless in professional fighting.

Think of how rarely you actually see BJJ style submissions these days.

I remember that "Gracies in Action" VHS where Rorion says "you only need Gracie Jujitsu to be effective in a street fight". That aged like milk.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Which blackbelt legends are u talking about getting tapped by guys with less than 2 years training?

I didn't say tap, I said beat. And I was referring to Cyborg Abreu losing to Nick Rodriguez

 

[gevoudane]

Makhachev already raped another ADCC champion Ramos. Ground fighting with gnp is a whole different ball game

Dern is ADCC champion too.

What does Dern have to do with this? In Derns fight she got beat by BJJ legacy. That fight was BJJ vs BJJ Either Dern or Ribas won it would have been the same. Ribas family I guess just isnt as famous. But both are kids from BJJ legacy,

 

[Casual Cro Cop]

BBJ specialists Kron and Dern defeated by two other life long black belt BJJ practitioners. EXPOSED

 

[louiscyphere]

As someone else said, without BJJ you don't get anywhere in MMA so it's not "exposed". Any single martial art isn't enough. Was wrestling "exposed" when Masvidal knocked out Askren?

Considering askren is the most one dimensional pure wrestling savant in mma, yes, it does. That’s the point of this thread.

 

[Xuh]

What does Dern have to do with this? In Derns fight she got beat by BJJ legacy. That fight was BJJ vs BJJ Either Dern or Ribas won it would have been the same. Ribas family I guess just isnt as famous. But both are kids from BJJ legacy,

Ribas is a Judo/BJJer, the fight was won by Judo and striking completely shutting down Dern's BJJ

Ribas was on the Brazil Judo team and it was clear her judo gave her the edge in the takedowns and ensuing scrambles despite Dern being far superior in pure sport BJJ

The Brazilian BJJers who do decent in MMA today are the ones who are also good at Judo (Jacare, Maia).

BJJ stands for Basically Just Judo anyway so no surprise....

 

[Stixx]

It seems to me that most Gracies tend to be stubborn and still believe that you can get by on stellar BJJ alone, but it hasn’t worked like that for years. You can’t be one-dimensional in MMA, and if you do insist on it, wrestling is by far your best bet.

Out of curiosity, was there ever a Gracie fighter with great striking? I don’t remember anyone off the top of my head.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Is it BJJ’s fault he couldnt take the fight to the floor?

Is it kickboxings fault a person may not be able to get back up from a TD or have a sprawl implemented to even avoid a TD?

 

[fortheo]

Precisely because of that: BJJ prowess didn't grant the BJJ practitioner the ability needed to take the fight to the ground... and you need to take the fight to the ground to use BJJ. You can win UFC gold by being a primarily striking specialist. You can win UFC gold by being a primarily wrestling specialist. Where is the BJJ specialist who can win UFC gold?

That's not entirely true. What striking specialist in modern times has won gold without extensive training on his wrestling or grappling? Even conor spent tons and tons of time working on his grappling. Holloway spent tons and tons of time working on his grappling. Adesanya also spent tons and tons of time working on his grappling.

If you allow those striking specialists the option of working on other arts, then you must allow the BJJ guy that same leeway. The problem is that 90 percent of them are too dumb or too proud to work on the other martial arts that compliment their bjj. All these BJJ guys and girls seem to be going the Diaz route, which is fun, but I truly believe Maia laid the blue print for what BJJ guys should work on and it's a shame that there isn't a young BJJ guy out their following in Maia's footsteps by working hard with high quality wrestlers.

Maia had the right idea by going to olympic wrestling centers or universityies in america looking for wrestling training, it's just that he was already like 30 by the time he realized that.

 

[Yacob]

Kron tried to use it by randomly lying on his back

The bjj version of a takedown



I couldn't imagine humiliating myself like that....

 

[gevoudane]

Ribas is a Judo/BJJer, the fight was won by Judo and striking completely shutting down Dern's BJJ

Ribas was on the Brazil Judo team and it was clear her judo gave her the edge in the takedowns and ensuing scrambles despite Dern being far superior in pure sport BJJ

The Brazilian BJJers who do decent in MMA today are the ones who are also good at Judo (Jacare, Maia).

BJJ stands for Basically Just Judo anyway so no surprise....

Megaton JJ is more judo than Gracie JJ, thats is why its called megaton JJ. Ribas is just a better fighter than Dern.

 

[SJP_SevenLaker]

tonight:

Dev is a beast.

 

[Max_P]

bjj wasnt even used in the fights though

its was, when Kron straightened his legs and dropped to the floor... I think it is called: "downward flat butt-hole drop... come and get it... "

 

[KID Yamamoto]

Yeah BJJ got exposed by a guy who's been lynched multiple times by BJJ in MMA.

Fucking sherdog I swear.