BJJ Competition: Merging belt divisions like at the World BJJ Pro-IPJJF

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Hi Guys,

There is so many BJJ threads about belts, stripes, sandbaggin etc.

I came across this BJJ competition format and wanted to get some of your opinions:

KP- How many weight classes?
CS- The weight Divisions are:
GROUP A: Purple, Brown and Black:eek:
65kg, 75kg, 85kg, 95kg, +95kg, Open


GROUP B: White and Blue
63kg, 68kg, 73kg, 78kg, 83kg, 88kg, 93kg, 98kg, +98kg,
Open light -73kg, Open heavy +73kg



KP- What are the rules?
CS-The rules are CBJJ/IBJJF official rules

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Would you be keen or against?
 
Awesome. I'm all for reducing the number of skill divisions. Competition-wise, it's definitely possible for a good purple to beat black belts. Combining blues and whites is good too because no more complaining about sandbagger white belts. If you're a white belt and you want to compete, just train your ass off for a few months--it really doesn't take that long to get to blue belt level. And if you're not that good, then why the hell would you fly all the way to Abu Dhabi to compete anyway?

I do think 95kg is a pretty low weight for unlimited though, that's only 209 pounds. If they're going to make it 95, then they should cap it at 115 or so. I hate being the tall 210 pound guy who gets smashed by the 265 pound fatass.

Prize money is also awesome.
 
Also, please note the higher division (Purple - BB) would be competiting under BB rules! Purple would be able to do slicer and Knee bar etc...


White will be fighting under Blue. But I think there would be no rules differences!

The time is also shorter: 6 minutes.

no more boring 10 minutes fight.
 
^ Id like to say that i think its possible to combine a few skill divisions. Specifically brw/blk. However, I dont think that combining blue and white is a good idea. Guys who are still green need to start somewhere, and potentially competing against a guy who has been training for 3 or so years, isnt gonna help either guy.

As far as people complaining about sandbaggers, id say shut up, train harder, and keep competing. You notice the only people who complain about sandbaging are the people who lose. If i get beat by a guy whos better than me, that just makes me want to compete and train harder. IDK, maybe im the exception in that case.
 
For smaller tourneys, combining the belts may work.

However, for a huge tournament, like the Mundials, I dont really see a point to this.

If you look at the adult black belt winners, people like Roger, Marcelo, Cobrinha, etc...those guys will not be beat by a purple or brown belt. (or at the very least, they should win 99/100 matches).

So you'll end up having just black belt winners, with no purple or brown belts ever really being able to compete for the top spots.
 
BTTinUSA said:
^ Id like to say that i think its possible to combine a few skill divisions. Specifically brw/blk. However, I dont think that combining blue and white is a good idea. Guys who are still green need to start somewhere, and potentially competing against a guy who has been training for 3 or so years, isnt gonna help either guy.

As far as people complaining about sandbaggers, id say shut up, train harder, and keep competing. You notice the only people who complain about sandbaging are the people who lose. If i get beat by a guy whos better than me, that just makes me want to compete and train harder. IDK, maybe im the exception in that case.
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Yeah, guys who are still green need to start somewhere, but that somewhere is not flying all the way to Abu Dhabi to compete in a "pro" jiu-jitsu competition for prize money. White belts need to compete in local tournaments!
 
Lastly, since the IBJJF is the more established org, I dont see why the ADCC Gi tournament has different weight classes. I know many of the competitors cut some weight just to make the IBJJF weights...then, to cut even more weight to make another different group of weights, just seems very random to me.
 
redaxe said:
Yeah, guys who are still green need to start somewhere, but that somewhere is not flying all the way to Abu Dhabi to compete in a "pro" jiu-jitsu competition for prize money. White belts need to compete in local tournaments!
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It is not unusual to see a white belt tap out a blue.

Qualification round were hosted in the USA.

If you qualified, you get a free trip and accomodation.
 
kying418 said:
Lastly, since the IBJJF is the more established org, I dont see why the ADCC Gi tournament has different weight classes. I know many of the competitors cut some weight just to make the IBJJF weights...then, to cut even more weight to make another different group of weights, just seems very random to me.
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IBJJF does not offer any $ prices like the IPJJF.

This is not a ADCC GI tournament.

You will notice the weight categories were 5 KG difference for white/blue and 10 KG for purple upwards.
 
kying418 said:
For smaller tourneys, combining the belts may work.

However, for a huge tournament, like the Mundials, I dont really see a point to this.

If you look at the adult black belt winners, people like Roger, Marcelo, Cobrinha, etc...those guys will not be beat by a purple or brown belt. (or at the very least, they should win 99/100 matches).

So you'll end up having just black belt winners, with no purple or brown belts ever really being able to compete for the top spots.
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We all see it at club level:
Purple catching Black belt.

I like to see purple fighting black belts.

In Judo, people compete at black belt level.

Who wants to see the final of the white belts in the Mundials?

Roger is a competition stud and I am sure there some purple belts that are training full time and they should be given the chance to compete with Brown and BB.

By having this type of brackets, people will not worry about belts and stuff like that!


The only guys that would complain would be the BB that get tapped out by a purple. LOL
 
did the abu dhabi gi qualifier this year in florida under the rules you mentioned and the bb's won it all!in fact,the minute comprido walked in we all said we're fighting for second place!!!purples had to win their division to fight in the brown/black division,so my question is,how fair is that to purple?including expenses...
 
hocky said:
did the abu dhabi gi qualifier this year in florida under the rules you mentioned and the bb's won it all!in fact,the minute comprido walked in we all said we're fighting for second place!!!purples had to win their division to fight in the brown/black division,so my question is,how fair is that to purple?including expenses...
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I did not know they only allowed the winner of the purple to fight in brown/black.

So you had only 1 purple fighting in the brown/black?
 
Why should a purple belt who isn't good enough to win the purple division get to fight brown and black belts?

Also either, fight in a mixed division if you're okay with it or don't if you're afraid to. No big deal.
 
I can see why this would be a good idea. Make sure brackets get filled up more also.

There's really also really no reason to have a 6 month and under (novice division like in Naga). What the heck does that prove anyways, that you're better than the other scrubs. /said half jokingly.
 
Doh! said:
Why should a purple belt who isn't good enough to win the purple division get to fight brown and black belts?

Also either, fight in a mixed division if you're okay with it or don't if you're afraid to. No big deal.
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It seems that Hocky pointed a unique problem that he saw at a particular event in Florida. I can only assume it is not the normal policy of all the worldwide trials.

By looking at the Canadian Trials Results, there were a lot of purples/brown winning!

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Doh! said:
Why should a purple belt who isn't good enough to win the purple division get to fight brown and black belts?

Also either, fight in a mixed division if you're okay with it or don't if you're afraid to. No big deal.
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In No Gi, purples go against blacks every time they compete. Besides maybe if you're a whitebelt or a purple belt you shouldnt be winning tournaments.

We don't need to have 225 (number of divisions at GQ) people medal in a tournament.

in big tournies, i think you would have to separate things other wise divisions might get too big.

edit: I'm pretty out of it. I think I misunderstood the whole thread. I thought you guys were just talking about tournies in general not specifically ADCC, and i htink I misunderstood what rules you guys were talking about also. jeeez, i need to get some lunch.
 
platfox said:
I can see why this would be a good idea. Make sure brackets get filled up more also.

There's really also really no reason to have a 6 month and under (novice division like in Naga). What the heck does that prove anyways, that you're better than the other scrubs. /said half jokingly.
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This is what Hocky was reffering to. see below. Do you think it is fair?

"The Purple belt division will be held first. The first and second place winners from each weight bracket division will move to the Brown/Black belt division. The first place winner of each Purple belt division will receive $300.

The first place winners of the Purple/Brown/Black belt division brackets shall receive $1,200.00
and advance to WORLD PRO JIU JITSU CUP and receive, Air Line ticket to Abu Dhabi, Hotel accommodations and meals.

(Fighters in the Purple/Brown/Black Belt must compete in the brackets to participate in the Absolute).
The winner of the Absolute Purple/Brown/Black belt shall receive an additional $2,000.00"

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/abu-dhabi-pro-bjj-all-info-923447/
 
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