Bj Penn getting free rides for not building more mass

Yugo King said:
cause I post along teens. This is Sherdog HW the most delusional fanboysm in the world, period, bout any popular hot fighter they can vicariously live trough with no argumentation. This forum is known to be the worst in sports, lol. Including the rest of the website thinks this. I am well aware expected nothing more.
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You are posting alongside some of the greatest minds to have ever lived (me).

A bit of respect. Normally people have to pay journal subscriptions to read my brilliance.

Also, your thread is garbage.

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Yugo King said:
Why does Bj Penn get praise for coming in small vs WW fighters, when he knew when the fight was gonna be, agreed to it and still didn´t put on enough weight to not be at a size disatvantage ?

Like is he not athletic enough to bulk up to 185 then cut to 170 so his fans don´t have the free ride excuse "he was smaller" ? BTW he is 5´9 tall.

Is his hype comming from people brainwashing themselves trough browsin BjPenn.com daily and then becoming loyal to the point of delusion.
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Bulking to 185 then cutting would simply be too hard in such a short space of time. He would mainly gain fat and water weight...
 
so you want him to look like sean sherk at WW?
 
He might not have had any intention of spending that long at 170 or bigger. He knows he can't stick around in that division forever because the opponents are too big. There's some guys he could've beat (could've because his prime is long gone), but he's naturally a LW, maybe even a FW, honestly.

If he put on some muscle to go up to 170 without intentions of staying there, then it would just make the journey back to 155, which is his best weight class, more difficult for him to cut to. Moving around that often in weight is really not healthy for you either. Putting on some extra muscle and then losing it not long after to cut back down isn't good for you.

BJ isn't known to be the healthiest guy around, he really isn't the best athlete 'cause he's known to be one of the lazier fighters in many peoples' opinion, yet most talented. BJ always just relied on his skill and pure fighting ability instead of his physical ability.

He did great before guys started evolving in all aspects and he eventually fell off. He truly never should've went up to fight Machida and should've tried to stay in shape more often, I think that effected him in the long run.

BJ being known to be lazy in the gym is, in my opinion, what makes him that much more impressive because he was so successful against the true elite of the elite still. If he made some better choices with his diet, didn't have all those yes men around him, etc, he likely would've accomplished even more.

Sometimes, gaining mass/muscle isn't always the answer for some fighters. Look at Jones for example - he gained a lot of muscle and then came back to fight OSP, but he didn't look even close to as good as he normally does. The long layoff is one thing but even so, more muscle doesn't always mean you'll be improved in any way, sometimes you end up not doing as well because of it.

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You wanted him to put on 15 pounds of muscle before a fight? Seriously?
Do you know how unrealistic that is?
 
Yugo King said:
Why does Bj Penn get praise for coming in small vs WW fighters, when he knew when the fight was gonna be, agreed to it and still didn´t put on enough weight to not be at a size disatvantage ?

Like is he not athletic enough to bulk up to 185 then cut to 170 so his fans don´t have the free ride excuse "he was smaller" ? BTW he is 5´9 tall.

Is his hype comming from people brainwashing themselves trough browsin BjPenn.com daily and then becoming loyal to the point of delusion.
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Are you playing a sport? Have you ever bulked up to compete?
It's VERY easy to say just bulk up...even though Penn is 5'9" is of medium build.....with medium-thick bones. IT doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a powerhouse in the cage with more muscle.
 
Paladin said:
Bulking to 185 then cutting would simply be too hard in such a short space of time. He would mainly gain fat and water weight...
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4 fight s a row at ww, 2 years and 1 month and the 3-4 months preperation for the first of those 4, so almost 2 and a half years
 
Penn gets a lot of credit because in today's MMA world he would be a 145 pound fighter, but in heyday he could hang with the top 170 lb fighters. He didn't even train that hard but based purely on natural talent and skill he could hang with much bigger, stronger guys who tried way harder. Penn was a freak. If Penn had the work ethic of someone like GSP, forget about it. He would still be the champ. If you don't believe that you're an idiot. Even way past his best day he took rounds from big welterweights like Diaz and Fitch.

Penn came into fights with the best guys out of shape and still kicked their asses. He had a natural punching power, flexibility, and chin that you can't teach. Some guys like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle are just made for hitting baseballs - Penn was made to fuck people up. He was just better. End of story.
 
That209 said:
He might not have had any intention of spending that long at 170 or bigger. He knows he can't stick around in that division forever because the opponents are too big. There's some guys he could've beat (could've because his prime is long gone), but he's naturally a LW, maybe even a FW, honestly.

If he put on some muscle to go up to 170 without intentions of staying there, then it would just make the journey back to 155, which is his best weight class, more difficult for him to cut to. Moving around that often in weight is really not healthy for you either. Putting on some extra muscle and then losing it not long after to cut back down isn't good for you.

BJ isn't known to be the healthiest guy around, he really isn't the best athlete 'cause he's known to be one of the lazier fighters in many peoples' opinion, yet most talented. BJ always just relied on his skill and pure fighting ability instead of his physical ability.

He did great before guys started evolving in all aspects and he eventually fell off. He truly never should've went up to fight Machida and should've tried to stay in shape more often, I think that effected him in the long run.

BJ being known to be lazy in the gym is, in my opinion, what makes him that much more impressive because he was so successful against the true elite of the elite still. If he made some better choices with his diet, didn't have all those yes men around him, etc, he likely would've accomplished even more.

Sometimes, gaining mass/muscle isn't always the answer for some fighters. Look at Jones for example - he gained a lot of muscle and then came back to fight OSP, but he didn't look even close to as good as he normally does. The long layoff is one thing but even so, more muscle doesn't always mean you'll be improved in any way, sometimes you end up not doing as well because of it.

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yes but he still came in small, he literally didn´t cut weight, that is a disatvantage, and his fault

his fighting ability let´s call it "scrappines" is bare to none, however he has shitty athleticism, relatively speaking for that high level
 
Venom said:
Are you playing a sport? Have you ever bulked up to compete?
It's VERY easy to say just bulk up...even though Penn is 5'9" is of medium build.....with medium-thick bones. IT doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a powerhouse in the cage with more muscle.
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so coming in 168 is better then coming in 185, c´mon man it´s not a HUGE bulk, it takes a pro, with their access to gummybear juice, well 1-2 years to do it perfectly. Even sloppily just eating a shit ton of protein he could´ve been 178 quick, look how Cerrone did it, 168 for WW is fucking small
 
Who cares about him anyways


He wasted so much talent.

If he had the drive and motivation of a gsp then he would be unstoppable at any weight cause he was so naturally gifted.

But he isn't motivated and has no drive so get this last fight over with and let's not talk about him.
 
J-Pac said:
Penn gets a lot of credit because in today's MMA world he would be a 145 pound fighter, but in heyday he could hang with the top 170 lb fighters. He didn't even train that hard but based purely on natural talent and skill he could hang with much bigger, stronger guys who tried way harder. Penn was a freak. If Penn had the work ethic of someone like GSP, forget about it. He would still be the champ. If you don't believe that you're an idiot. Even way past his best day he took rounds from big welterweights like Diaz and Fitch.

Penn came into fights with the best guys out of shape and still kicked their asses. He had a natural punching power, flexibility, and chin that you can't teach. Some guys like Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle are just made for hitting baseballs - Penn was made to fuck people up. He was just better. End of story.
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his lack of work ethic made him INFERIOR to every single guy he lost too, full point, facts.

Your post is true. However he was 33 vs Nick and Fitch.

But yeah in his prime he was better then at the last part of the career and was one of the top guys period, beat prime Hughes, split decision GSP, beat up Gomi. However longevity is a factor people don´t take in with Pen, it´s not like he started falling of at 39 like Vitor does now.
 
Yugo King said:
his lack of work ethic made him INFERIOR to every single guy he lost too, full point, facts.

Your post is true. However he was 33 vs Nick and Fitch.

But yeah in his prime he was better then at the last part of the career and was one of the top guys period, beat prime Hughes, split decision GSP, beat up Gomi. However longevity is a factor people don´t take in with Pen, it´s not like he started falling of at 39 like Vitor does now.
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You right. His work ethic was shit. He'll forever be one of those WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN guys...

Regardless, he was a 2-weight world champion. There;s only a few of those guys. Even though he under performed he is still one of the greatest fighters ever. That's saying something.

Now if only Roy Nelson would get the fuck in shape and fight at 185 and clean that division up easily I wouldn't have to explain this to people 10 years from now.
 
Yugo King said:
Why does Bj Penn get praise for coming in small vs WW fighters, when he knew when the fight was gonna be, agreed to it and still didn´t put on enough weight to not be at a size disatvantage ?

Like is he not athletic enough to bulk up to 185 then cut to 170 so his fans don´t have the free ride excuse "he was smaller" ? BTW he is 5´9 tall.

Is his hype comming from people brainwashing themselves trough browsin BjPenn.com daily and then becoming loyal to the point of delusion.
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Who gives a shit how he looks you mook. If you want buff bodies go watch some jersey shore style crap what matters is that he would put on entertaining fights whether he smashing guys or getting smashed because he had a kill or be killed attitude and i love watching those kinda fights
 
J-Pac said:
You right. His work ethic was shit. He'll forever be one of those WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN guys...

Regardless, he was a 2-weight world champion. There;s only a few of those guys. Even though he under performed he is still one of the greatest fighters ever. That's saying something.

Now if only Roy Nelson would get the fuck in shape and fight at 185 and clean that division up easily I wouldn't have to explain this to people 10 years from now.
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who knows what Roy would be like at 185, too unable to tell it

Yes he was, two division champ is luck but not in his case, in todays mma lw has too many contenders it´s lucky, to many close skill guys, like Conor Theoreticaly could´ve lost to Barbosa or Ferguson if he didn´t run into Eddi in his two division conquest, also it´s hard to tell who will be the todog, heck the Aldo rematch would be interesting and a fight vs Frankie Edgar. Thus far he exceled, well he had major issues with Nate Diaz. Wouldn´t be suprised if Conor lost to Barbosa Ferguson and Khabib a row. Would be suprised if he beats all 3. Ferguson si tall that messes with Conors style, Nate and Nick got shitty takedowns they never take noone down, he beat Mendes but let´s see more takedowns or atempts vs Conor. He is a great fighter of course.
 
jumasterflex said:
Who gives a shit how he looks you mook. If you want buff bodies go watch some jersey shore style crap what matters is that he would put on entertaining fights whether he smashing guys or getting smashed because he had a kill or be killed attitude and i love watching those kinda fights
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yeah but his fans brush hsi ww losses off or devalue his ww opponents wins by saying Pen was smaller anyways
 
Yugo King said:
so coming in 168 is better then coming in 185, c´mon man it´s not a HUGE bulk, it takes a pro, with their access to gummybear juice, well 1-2 years to do it perfectly. Even sloppily just eating a shit ton of protein he could´ve been 178 quick, look how Cerrone did it, 168 for WW is fucking small
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It takes a very long time to get there and get used to first of all. So why are you ragging him for taking WW fights while he still had his LW belt to defend in between and not bulking for WW?

He was supposed to be open to fight a variety of opponents.
 
Bj penn fans have been around long before bjpenn.com. We understand and accept that hes a lazy fucker but we love him anyway. He may not bring it year round in training but for the most part he brought it in the cage when it counted
 
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