Elections Biggest lesson for Democrats heading into 2021: Pelosi and Schumer must go

I’d lean toward Schumer more than Pelosi because I think he’s failing on multiple fronts here. I don’t know how much control he had in determining priority for senate races but I don’t think he positions the party in a good spot nationally to help them flip or even win existing seats. I’m not a fan of Pelosi either but I think both of these jobs center around things like fundraising and she probably does that well compared to whoever would take over. You never know until it happens I suppose.
 
...and be replaced by progressives with a bold and class-infused platform.

Running against an historically unpopular president and the single most openly corrupt and unprincipled major party in modern history, congressional Democrats underperformed in every Senate race. In losses in Maine, Iowa, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia, Democrats underperformed polls by an average of 5 points.

No More Chuck and Nancy
The Democrats might escape with a presidential win, but one thing is clear: congressional leadership needs to go.

The votes are still being counted and we’re still trying to figure out what exactly happened, but one thing so far is undeniable: Election Night was a colossal failure for Senate and House Democrats.

In the Senate, Democratic candidates blew prime pickup opportunities in Iowa, Maine, and North Carolina, and lit hundreds of millions of dollars on fire to lose by double digits in Kentucky and South Carolina while underfunding candidates such as Raphael Warnock, the Atlanta pastor who now appears to be the Democrats’ best hope for salvaging a 50-50 majority should Joe Biden win the presidency.



In the House, an expected increase in the Democrats’ margins from 2018 rapidly went south as the night wore on, and the Democrats could actually lose five to ten seats by the time the cycle is over. Conservative incumbents lost, progressive challengers lost—it was an all-around disaster, and now the House has a much thinner majority that’s in extreme jeopardy in 2022, considering the wave of gerrymandering that’s about to be enacted in swing states all over the country because downballot Democrats also failed miserably.



There’s a lot of blame to go around for all of this, but two of the main problems are clear: Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and the entire Democratic Senate and House leadership.

Schumer has been integral to Democratic recruitment efforts in the past two cycles, and each time they’ve come up dramatically short. That might have been excusable in 2018, when the map was extremely favorable for Republicans, but this year it was not—in addition to Colorado and Arizona, the Democrats should have won North Carolina, Iowa, and at the very least Maine. Surprise: they did not win any of those last three.

The biggest miss might have been in North Carolina. There, Democrat Cal Cunningham—a horny ding-dong with no charisma to speak of, who was recruited by the DSCC for the second time in ten years owing to his sterling track record of one term spent as a state senator in the year 2001—enjoyed a 4 percent cushion from third-party conservative candidates against incumbent Sen. Thom Tillis, but ran way behind Biden and will likely manage to lose by tens of thousands of votes.

In the House, the New York Times currently has Democrats losing all of the lean Republican districts, 24 of the 27 toss-up districts, and having lost three of the seats that were seen as leaning towards the Democrats.

What this means is simple. Schumer and Pelosi have got to go—from leadership, from their seats in Congress, from politics altogether. Catherine Cortez-Masto and Cheri Bustos, the heads of the Democratic campaign committees, have also got to go. They again bet the entire house on Sane Republicans giving them a smooth path to power and they again failed, even with 230,000-plus people dead and an economy in the tank. This is a fuck-up far beyond Mitch McConnell’s wildest dreams, and this is how it works when you don’t follow through on the job people sent you to D.C. to do—you lose that job.

They should be replaced with someone who actually understands that class is the key to why this keeps happening, why their relationship with suburbanites is at best tenuous and why Trump’s increasing margins with Latinx voters in South Texas of all places is an existential crisis. Bernie Sanders is never going to win that leadership election, but Sherrod Brown, Tammy Baldwin, Jeff Merkely—any of them could do this job way better than the current Senate leadership.

As for the House, moderate Democrats are already floating Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, who hates the left way more on a visceral level than Pelosi, as an alternative should she step down. (Pelosi needs two-thirds of the caucus’s support, after a deal she made to become speaker for a second time in 2018.) House progressives need to find their own candidate to rally behind and fast. They’re already starting to get the blame for this shit, with anonymous centrist Democrats grumbling to whoever will pick up the phone at Politico that the notion that Democrats were “socialists” is what killed them despite the fact that Joe Biden devoted a large chunk of his primary campaign and a decent portion of his general bashing socialism. The party can do no wrong; it can only be done wrong.

The Democratic Party approaches elections as a set of opportunities for consulting contracts, and while this year won’t be the final nail in the coffin, Tuesday’s results portend deeply worrying trends for anyone who doesn’t want this country to be ruled by a coalition of fascists and austerity hawks. And in order for things to improve, the Democrats have got to find new leadership, from people who haven’t been groomed for leadership by the very same people who are failing us right now.

https://discourseblog.com/chuck-schumer-nancy-pelosi-2020-resign



A. Its not gonna happen.

B. If it did happen, it'd be almost impossible to continue hiding how psycho the left is.

C. Class-infused? Can you really not succeed in the US? Are you really waiting around for a government handout to change your sad existence?
 
Biggest lesson for democrats is to stop with the propaganda, stop making up stuff like systemic racism out of thin air, stop burning and looting major cities, stop calling people racist who don't vote left and stop trying to cancel everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion.

That would be a pretty good step in the right direction.


That's exactly how they win. Hillary received a million votes less than Obama. The schemers in the DNC had to devise a plan to get that vote activated for Bidens old racist ass.
 
I would give up Pelosi and Schumer if McConnell and Rand goes
 
Good luck with that. Pelosi got 80% of the vote.
But they face the wrath of their own party next. I thought they could retire with a free ride teil death. I guess they love the power too much.
 
They're delusional scum suckers. They thought all the people they let march around on the street would come and vote for them. Instead the moderate and swing voters stayed home or voted for Trump. They need to remember they work for the people that vote and pay taxes. They let their fringe nutbags (you all know who I"m talking about) take control of the rhetoric. They thought they could have their cake and eat it too. Hopefully they wake the fuck up and put these nutbags in their place.
 
Biggest lesson for democrats is to stop with the propaganda, stop making up stuff like systemic racism out of thin air, stop burning and looting major cities, stop calling people racist who don't vote left and stop trying to cancel everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion.

That would be a pretty good step in the right direction.

Isn't that basically their whole platform?
 
I agree with alot of democratic/liberal/whatever you want to call it ideals, but what you mentioned is exactly what put me off over these last four years (I'm almost 40 and this was the first year I've ever voted Republican for anything). There's alot of people that are now adults that grew up with a false sense of ego, self, and their place in the world, and as a result they're angry that reality doesn't align with the ideal in their heads. Their mind won't come to grips with the reality of confronting their own flaws, failures, and poor choices so they will latch on to an excuse given to them to absolve themselves of culpability and blame others. It's a real simple play on people's egos that the left seems to have mastered, and it will enable them to gain further control as this phenomenon increases with each new crop of adults.


wtf are you talking about in terms of policy otherwise this is so vague as to be impossible to decipher. also if you are a dem but voted for trump you may have some other problems.
 
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That's exactly how they win. Hillary received a million votes less than Obama. The schemers in the DNC had to devise a plan to get that vote activated for Bidens old racist ass.

I just can't believe so many people have fallen for it.

Take "systemic racism". Didn't even exist until this summer and all the sudden it's the biggest thing in the country that's been going on for decades?

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=systemic racism
 
i agree with most of this trotsky. the democratic party has not served the average citizen for a very long time. they have become almost as corrupt and sold out to big business as the republicans are. i am skeptical about our chances of making these changes though.

you still have obama and hilary influencing the party and putting all their weight into supporting people like wine cellar pete over and above the likes of bernie and aoc....

i just don't see how we get from here to there anytime soon. i think we lost our best chance when the establishment went hard against bernie in the primaries.
 
The voters should have a say on who the house speaker and senate majority leader are. I think there should be a vote every election where the public gets to vote on those two positions. If the person in that position has over 50% disapproval rating, they are removed and the senate and house are forced to pick someone else.
 
You wont get shit but more austerity, more corporatism. More bailouts for fraudsters and billionaires. More insurance control of our stratospheric healthcare costs. More lying. More corruption. More War. More militarization of the police. More Constitution-shredding. More CO2. etc,

That I can guarantee being a witness to the Clinton and Obama "third way" neo-liberal Administrations.

*actually u can go back as far as Carter when he deregulated Trucking and wrecked that as a decent job.

Democrats are not your friends if you're progressive or left. They are Republican's who lie.
 
wtf are you talking about in terms of policy otherwise this is so vague as to be impossible to decipher. also if you are a dem but voted for trump you may have some other problems.
Where do you need clarity grasshopper? I'm not a "dem", I don't commit myself to one party or the other. You should try it sometime, think for yourself and all that.
 
Biggest lesson for democrats is to stop with the propaganda, stop making up stuff like systemic racism out of thin air, stop burning and looting major cities, stop calling people racist who don't vote left and stop trying to cancel everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion.

That would be a pretty good step in the right direction.

but then they would have no platform...
 
Where do you need clarity grasshopper? I'm not a "dem", I don't commit myself to one party or the other. You should try it sometime, think for yourself and all that.


you said a bunch of stuff but did not mention any policy positions or even any specific issues. it was too vuage.
 
you said a bunch of stuff but did not mention any policy positions or even any specific issues. it was too vuage.
I wasn't talking about specific policies to begin with, I'm talking about the latching on to identity politics very publicly and narratives that cause divisiveness in order to garner votes. Unless you're asking what democratic policies I agree with? That'll take some time to type out and I need sleep. Let me know which and I'll get back to you tomorrow.
 
f it did happen, it'd be almost impossible to continue hiding how psycho the left is.

What is "psycho" about condemning blatant corruption whereby rich people openly bribe Republicans into passing policies that hurt everyone but the rich and are absolutely panned by experts in every policy area?

Class-infused? Can you really not succeed in the US? Are you really waiting around for a government handout to change your sad existence?

You see, this is why we need class-infused politics. If we have a major party talking about class issues - like...
  • the dark money of billionaires dominating the politics, spreading misinformation, and bribing politicians
  • conservative tax plans that explode the deficit and incur odious public debt that will be paid by the middle class just so that conservative donors can get billions in tax breaks
  • trillions of dollars in tax avoidance by the rich
  • union busting so that corporations can suppress the wages of their employees
  • people getting priced out of their homes because wealthy landowners are keeping affordable housing from being built so that they can keep their property values artificially high
...then maybe very stupid people like yourself wouldn't equate class issues with begging for handouts.
 
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