Economy Biden offers to send $4 billion to Honduras, guatemela, El Salvodor

Yehudim said:
The average Guatemalan was born years after that ended.

It’s really smooth brained to think that Guatemala’s problems are a result of the US, when they were impoverished prior to US interference.

The country has an unforgiving geography (which is why it is largely indigenous; the Spanish can’t easily assimilate people who are living up in a mountain) and has major issues with corruption.

It is physically and financially difficult to create an economy of scale when the country is fractured by highlands. Add some corruption and you have everlasting poverty.
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"Sure they had a 36 year long civil war, but have you see how rugged the mountains are?"
 
Chest Rockwell said:
Investing a few billion into central America to ensure proper infrastructure and immigration policy could save trillions in the long run. Too bad we all know how the money will actually be used.
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Hard to imagine there wouldn't be seriously gnarly corruption with that much money pouring in. I don't think the idea is a complete non-starter though.
 
Yehudim said:
It is physically and financially difficult to create an economy of scale when the country is fractured by highlands. Add some corruption and you have everlasting poverty.
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Yeah true Guatamala is super mountainous except the half that not
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no mountainous country has ever escaped poverty like those broke dick Swiss especially not in Central America shut the fuck up Costa Rica with your even more mountainous ass and three times the GDP per capita
 
ocean size said:
Yeah true Guatamala is super mountainous except the half that not
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no mountainous country has ever escaped poverty like those broke dick Swiss especially not in Central America shut the fuck up Costa Rica with your even more mountainous ass and three times the GDP per capita
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The half that isn’t is literal jungle.

Human agency is a big part of escaping poverty, but notice I added corruption in there.

There’s a lot of factors when speaking of the wealth of nations, including things like age. Costa Rica is much older than Guatemala. Costa Rica is also filled with jungle, but they were smarter than their neighbors and made a tourism industry out of it and invited biologists to do research there.

As I said, the place was impoverished before and after any US interference.
 
Meanwhile, Americans are suffering from homelessness, poverty and social inequality while their government is handing billions to foreigners like candy. The same amount that would solve 80% of their problems in their backyard. The same foreigners who view USA negatively.

How are people ok with that shit? Where is the outrage? They’ve been doing it for 6 decades.
 
Yehudim said:
The average Guatemalan was born years after that ended.

It’s really smooth brained to think that Guatemala’s problems are a result of the US, when they were impoverished prior to US interference.

The country has an unforgiving geography (which is why it is largely indigenous; the Spanish can’t easily assimilate people who are living up in a mountain) and has major issues with corruption.

It is physically and financially difficult to create an economy of scale when the country is fractured by highlands. Add some corruption and you have everlasting poverty.
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Why is poverty and the economy the only thing that you're looking at?
The larger problem with the US and other nations interfering and overthrowing governments around the world is that it wrecks their institutions. How do they form competent governments that people can believe in when a bigger country can just overthrow it if they don't like the direction they're going in? You just wind up with a bunch of corrupt strongmen trying to be the US's best buddy.
No one is saying that countries like Guatemala would have been a paradise without US intervention, but whatever direction they went in would have been of their making. At the very least, they would have been able to create a system that works for them.
 
SmilinDesperado said:
Why is poverty and the economy the only thing that you're looking at?
The larger problem with the US and other nations interfering and overthrowing governments around the world is that it wrecks their institutions. How do they form competent governments that people can believe in when a bigger country can just overthrow it if they don't like the direction they're going in? You just wind up with a bunch of corrupt strongmen trying to be the US's best buddy.
No one is saying that countries like Guatemala would have been a paradise without US intervention, but whatever direction they went in would have been of their making. At the very least, they would have been able to create a system that works for them.
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Because those are the indicators that people talk about when discussing the success of a country.

If you point out it is isn’t a successful country, inevitably the US gets brought in to the discussion and is blamed for their poverty.
 
Yehudim said:
Because those are the indicators that people talk about when discussing the success of a country.

If you point out it is isn’t a successful country, inevitably the US gets brought in to the discussion and is blamed for their poverty.
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They aren't the only indicators. Saudi Arabia is rich. Would we only measure how successful they are based on their oil wealth?
The circumstances of that wealth or poverty matter; especially when talking about addressing and fixing problems.
You can have a poor country that's just poor and undeveloped, and you can have a poor country that is rife with violence, systemic corruption, and a past of predatory foreign influence---the latter is going to be a lot harder to fix.

Do you think it's unfair that the US gets brought into the discussion?
The US has had a hand in the success and the the downfall of many countries around the world. We are literally toppling governments with force or economically, and then claim we have no fault or responsibility of the outcomes. We're placing bets on dictators and cronies, enjoying the wins when we get them, and then not wanting to take the effects of the losses after we've helped to destabilize a region.

I mean we still have politicians in 2021 trying to interfere in Venezuela's governing. These destabilizations have consequences.
 
Misanthropist said:
Meanwhile, Americans are suffering from homelessness, poverty and social inequality while their government is handing billions to foreigners like candy. The same amount that would solve 80% of their problems in their backyard. The same foreigners who view USA negatively.

How are people ok with that shit? Where is the outrage? They’ve been doing it for 6 decades.
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We keep voting for these people...
 
The ScorpioN said:
For Pete indigenous people have no agency

lmao at this babble and at a jew being a white nationalist, christ
also, you've never read Evola, your wikipedia tier knowledge is shallow and pedantic
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So, no argument.....
 
So what do they do with the roughly 100 million a year we give them now.......
 
SmilinDesperado said:
They aren't the only indicators. Saudi Arabia is rich. Would we only measure how successful they are based on their oil wealth?
The circumstances of that wealth or poverty matter; especially when talking about addressing and fixing problems.
You can have a poor country that's just poor and undeveloped, and you can have a poor country that is rife with violence, systemic corruption, and a past of predatory foreign influence---the latter is going to be a lot harder to fix.

Do you think it's unfair that the US gets brought into the discussion?
The US has had a hand in the success and the the downfall of many countries around the world. We are literally toppling governments with force or economically, and then claim we have no fault or responsibility of the outcomes. We're placing bets on dictators and cronies, enjoying the wins when we get them, and then not wanting to take the effects of the losses after we've helped to destabilize a region.

I mean we still have politicians in 2021 trying to interfere in Venezuela's governing. These destabilizations have consequences.
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It's batshit crazy that a US engineered 36 year long civil war -which only ended in 1996- is being minimized as the source of their misery
"Sure almost 4 decades of war and genocide are tough, but they were already poor."
 
Limbo Pete said:
It's batshit crazy that a US engineered 36 year long civil war -which only ended in 1996- is being minimized as the source of their misery
"Sure almost 4 decades of war and genocide are tough, but they were already poor."
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It really is. I honestly don't understand why more people aren't loudly talking about this publicly, especially in the past few years since immigration has been such a big issue in American politics. There is never any talk about why these people are coming and what our role in it was. It's just "caravans from the South".
The whitewashing of so much history, and turning it around on the countries that we fucked is gross.
We hear the same things about how much of a shithole countries in Africa are, when apartheid only ended in like 1994 for SA. As if the effects of these things just go away over night.

We just had Trump make up some bullshit about a stolen election, and now, I guarantee you that there will be people that will never trust voting or the system again, no matter what. There are people ready to go to civil war over this nonsense.
If our system is that fragile, how much damage do coups and a 36 year long civil war do to the institutions of a country?
 
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