Bewar of EGO tournaments

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  1. mtruitt76

    mtruitt76 Purple Belt

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    Warning a long rant to follow.

    Attended my first Extreme Grappling Open tournament today in Nashville. I wanted to get some matches in before the Chicago Open and play around with my game a little bit. In the finals of my masters division I pulled open guard with no grips so I could get some practice in playing from a bad guard pull. The guy couldn't pass my guard so he drops back for an ankle lock.

    No biggie I get a lapel and come to standing and the guy starts to reap my knee. Mind you not just slightly crossing the hip, but all the way across to my other hip. Of course I say to the ref "hey this dude is reaping my knee" In the course of my conversation with the ref he informs me that the tournament allows reaping of the knee. After arguing with him a bit and express how utterly retarded this is and how I have never heard of a tournament that allows reaping of knee in a gi event the match resumes. My opponent promptly grabs my ankle and rolls to the inside against my knee effectively heel hooking me.

    My knee pops and I scream out in pain, the ref stops the match and asks if I can continue. I know my knee is jacked and kinda confused that he is giving me the option to continue since I screamed out in pain, but I am pissed and still able to move the knee some. So I continue and submit the guy.

    I end up not being able to compete in my adult division and I am know at home with a bag of ice on a knee I am hoping is not too jacked up.

    For the life of me I cannot understand why a tournament would allow reaping of the knee especially in a blue belt division. Needless to say this will be the last EGO tournament I ever attend and would advise anyone else against attending their events also. Why some jank small regional tournament feels the need to alter common and established rules for the gi is beyond me. Also if you are going to alter one why the hell would it be to allow reaping of the knee.
     
  2. King Creatine

    King Creatine Purple Belt

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    That sucks man! Was this explained in the written rules (assuming there were written rules) for this specific tournament?
     
  3. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    EGO / Rules

    It does not mention anyting about reaping.
     
  4. mtruitt76

    mtruitt76 Purple Belt

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    No I looked at the rules form the website before I went, they all seemed pretty standard. Apparently they mentioned that reaping the knee was allowed at the rules meeting before the tournament. I was doing my pre competition warm up at that point. Guess I should have been paying attention LOL.

    It wouldn't have changed anything that happened in the match though.

    I just don't understand the reasoning allowing people to reap the knee. You can't do a knee bar, but it is okay to basically heel hook some one. Plus it is just so out of the ordinary. I compete a lot. Heck I average 2 tournaments a month and have competed in tournaments put on by a lot of different organizations.

    I have never seen reaping of the knee allowed in the gi. Tournaments will get funky with the no gi rules, but always follow the IBJFF rules in the gi.

    I never compete no gi and ended up getting hurt from essentially being heel hook in the gi, fucking weird.
     
  5. Vector_X

    Vector_X Brown Belt

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    That really does suck. Hopefully that knee will heal soon, but i'm not so sure if you feel the pop that is far from a good thing.
     
  6. Wrestleben

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    James and AJ Clingerman run the EGO. I would contact them at [email protected] and ask if knee reaping/heel hooks were allowed. I highly doubt they were, and most likely you had a bonehead ref.

    That being said, my "tap today to train tomorrow"
     
  7. johnkreese

    johnkreese Brown Belt

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    Weird.
     
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    Baconator69** Banned Banned

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    Well that is certainly "extreme"
     
  9. Gerbiljiujitsu

    Gerbiljiujitsu Purple Belt

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    isnt reaping of the knee a newer rule within the last 2 or 3 years even in the gi?
     
  10. mtruitt76

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    I will shoot him an email and ask about it.

    Trust me I would have tapped but didn't have a chance. When he rolled into my knee all I had time to do was try and go with it.
     
  11. XTrainer

    XTrainer Red Belt

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    Am I the only one hear who doesn't understand what is meant by "reaping?" Because when I hear "reap," I think osoto gari and such.

    (?)
     
  12. PerfectBalance

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    what is reaping of the knee please explain I have been fortunate not to have an asshole try this on me.
     
  13. mtruitt76

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    Not sure, I just know that it has been illegal as long as I have been competing. It is not a position that we ever practice either since it is illegal and my instructor considers it dangerous.
     
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    I always get confused by "Reaping" the knee, personally I think if reaping the knee is not allowed, don't allow non kneebar leglocks.
     
  15. lechien

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    reaping the knee and a straight knee bar are 2 seperate issues.


    you are not allowed to do twisting knee bar.
     
  16. The Apostle

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    It is unfortunate that you had a bad experience at EGO. I don't think I quite understand what you feel went wrong. Yes, reaping of the knee is not allowed in most cases, whatever the hell that is, I stay away from knees anyways so I can't reap them. But are you saying the written rules said that reaping of the knee was not allowed but at the rules meeting they said they were allowed? From what I gather, you said they didn't mention it in the written rules but they did say something during the meeting. If you just misunderstood the rules, sorry man, that's on you.

    I misunderstood the rules at a tournament, thought I had won the match but ended up watching the other guy get his arm raised. My fault for not reading the rules and not listening during the meeting. Of course I was pissed that day, and it took a few weeks to come to the realization that it was my fault for assuming the rules would be the same as at other places.

    I went to EGO Nashville last year and thought it was the most efficiently run tournament I had been to. Still do.
     
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    if this hasnt been cleared up by Monday I will make a video explaining and showing what reaping the knee is, but I would think someone can find a video of this before then.
     
  18. MonkeyNuts!

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    This is when you go for a footlock and bring your right leg from the outside to the inside past his hip.

    It puts lateral pressure on the knee even if you are doing only an ankle lock.
     
  19. Gerbiljiujitsu

    Gerbiljiujitsu Purple Belt

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    ok here is an example of reaping the knee. Please fast forward to 2:44



    as you can see in this video when he falls back he goes to feed his outside leg over the hip, thus turning the knee inside and exposing the heel. This puts a lot of pressure on the knee and if the person refuses to turn can injury the knee.

    There is some trouble inforcing this rule for the newer refs becuase you can feed the leg on the inside over the hip, some people have trouble telling the difference. Basically if you lead to the 50/50 position you are fine, if you're passing a leg over the knee in the other direction you're not ok.

    When I went through referee certification we were told to give verbal warnings when we see competators moving that foot towards the hip (a verbal "reaping is against the rules" or "watch the reaping").

    It's really not one of my favorite rules but I understand why it is in place.
     
  20. bnosam

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    I kind of see it, but I must be kind of dense, I'd like to see a video with a better explanation.

    Personally, I think the rule is stupid.
     

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