Elections Beto absurd and unconstitutional gun confiscation plan summed up in an MSNBC interview...

[Leagon]

If judges, politicians and law enforcement leaders are not upholding laws they disagree with, like enforcing immigration laws, why should any citizen feel compelled to comply or respect laws such as this?

Explain. Private citizens are supposed to be better people and follow unconstitutional laws they disagree with while the people in power simply ignore those they disagree with?

Your argument is the anti-patriot position in the 1770s. Just comply with unjust laws. It's the law.

Good job following the five Ds of dodgeball.

If an officer comes to your house and asks for your gun, then obviously your local police department and local judges are following the laws. This is America, where laws vary by locality. You can't disobey a law just because other parts of the country don't have it.

But it sounds like you're saying you disagree? That I'm morally justified in ignoring any law that some judge or cop somewhere does not support?

 

[Gregolian]

Ya I know man.. that’s why I’m torn on the issue. The military has tanks and fighter jets too.

What keeps brining me back to disagreeing with Beto is this. The law abiding citizens are not the ones committing mass murder and the criminals will get the guns regardless. I just think we need to put ridiculously harsh penalties in place for illegal gun possession

They need to rethink and start to try and remove stigma from getting mental health help.

 

[freakroor]

I like how you completely dodged the idea of owning a nuclear submarine. Do you think you should be able to own one? How about a fighter jet? Where does it end? If you think citizens should be able to own these things I question your entire thought process. You seem to think you and your guns will be able to do anything against “tyranny” (fake by the way) if brought on by the government. Doesn’t the 2nd amendment also talk about a well regulated militia? Are you in one?

There are limits on freedom of speech such as perjury, fighting words, defamation, blackmail, threatening speech. All those are not protected speech.

Also, answer the question of why you aren’t outraged that you can’t have a fully automatic weapon? The military does

could civilians ever buy a nuclear sub or fighter jet? ive never seen it. but do i see a lot of people with rifles...

 

[tinker_190]

I like how you completely dodged the idea of owning a nuclear submarine. Do you think you should be able to own one? How about a fighter jet? Where does it end?

Yes, I in fact should be able to own whatever type of transportation or military vessel I want.

Powerful reading comprehension

If you think citizens should be able to own these things I question your entire thought process.

My thought process is that everyone should have the right to the means from protection from the state. This includes arms and some of the admittedly more outlandish examples you have given. Government only comes from consent from the governed. We aren't cattle to be controlled by the state.

You seem to think you and your guns will be able to do anything against “tyranny” (fake by the way) if brought on by the government.

Tyranny is fake? Wow I had no idea. Let me tell that to all the victims of democide in the 20th century.

Conversely, if you want to narrow your argument to say that the USA has no tyranny, it seems then that the 2nd Amendment is doing its job pretty well! So which is it?

There are limits on freedom of speech such as perjury, fighting words, defamation, blackmail, threatening speech. All those are not protected speech.

All of those involve using words to victimize innocent people. I don't advocate anyone using arms to hurt innocent people. We are talking about the tools of expressing rights, not the expression itself. A more accurate analogy is calling for a ban of typewriters, or the printing press, or certain types of radio equipment or something.

Also, answer the question of why you aren’t outraged that you can’t have a fully automatic weapon? The military does

I'm not outraged because I am stoic and control my emotions. Fully automatic firearms should be legal and easy to obtain.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

That’s why I still try to reason with them. They’re fooling themselves right now, but at some point they will be forced to wake up.

I'm afraid you're wrong.

Marxism in all its forms has lead to the deaths of countless millions, yet people on this very forum are still fooling themselves into the notion that Marxism is anything other than evil.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Also, answer the question of why you aren’t outraged that you can’t have a fully automatic weapon? The military does

Because binary triggers are more accurate and have a slightly faster rate of fire then fully automatic.



Totally civilian legal.

 

[JamesRussler]

I'm afraid you're wrong.

Marxism in all its forms has lead to the deaths of countless millions, yet people on this very forum are still fooling themselves into the notion that Marxism is anything other than evil.

I look at it like this:
For some of them, “Marxism” and “Socialism” doesn’t have the same negative connotation that it does for people like you and I (and I do believe Capitalism is the foundation for a productive economy). “Universal health care” sounds attractive to them, because in their minds it sounds harmless. BUT, at the same time, they are alarmed at what they’re hearing from the Democrats. They intuitively understand that we can’t have a country without a border. They understand that anti-White hatred will not stop if the country becomes more diverse. They understand that there will be no “universal healthcare” if everyone is on welfare, and we don’t have a productive economy to generate tax revenue. They understand that if they allow foreigners to seize power in the USA, their children will be raped, tortured, and murdered, just like in South Africa, Mexico, Afganistan, etc. There are plenty of people that are receptive to the idea of generous social programs, but deep in their hearts they know they cannot keep supporting Democrats, because it amounts to suicide. These are the people we need to convince in 2020. When they are ready to wake up, we must be there for them.

And that’s why I still try to engage people on the Left, futile as it may appear sometimes. America has a gun to its head right now. We have to win 2020. We can work out policy details after we win. But if we lose, all bets are off.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Just comply with police, you did nothing wrong , fight it in court. Better to be alive and fight it from court or jail, right guys? That's what you told me in the other thread. So what it some corrupt cops want your assault rifle to resell on the black market, you'll have your day in court

Remember these narcissists? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

 

[cleetus]

He's been running for VP, not POTUS.

It wouldn't surprise me if he somehow got on the ticket under some absurd idea he can actually win Texas, which he can't. Media covered for him big-time facing Cruz, now his far-left ideology is out there, he's not going to win state office in Texas. Not yet anyway. They are transforming it with immigrants, domestic and foreign.

Don't forget the northeastern transplants ruining nice places like Texas and Florida.

 

[KeepItRealist]

All of them are the same.

 

[ShadowRun]

How many times did the left yell “ silly Republicans we aren’t going to take your guns” we see the big picture

 

[MMAisGod]

You guys are insane if you don't think insta-banning automatic weapons won't insta-stop mass shootings. Insane. If we banned and confiscated these guns today all crime would end by tomorrow.

Vote for me.

 

[K-Bag]

What is an assault weapon? My hands can be used to assault someone, are those assault weapons?

 

[sangreporsangre]

 

[legomaheggroll]

My ar-15’s caliber/features exist on a spectrum. It identifies as a musket. How dare they assume it’s designation.

 

[K-Bag]

 

[Beastman09]

From reading Beto's actual policy on his website:

"Ban Assault Weapons, Trigger Cranks, Silencers, Bump Stocks, and High-Capacity Magazines. Since the assault weapons ban expired in 2004, mass shootings have skyrocketed and become deadlier. Beto will work with Congress to ban the manufacturing, sale, and possession of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. "

There were never any successful challenges to the AWB. More recently, SCOTUS has declined to hear appeals of cases upholding "assault weapons" bans.

If the ban is constitutional, then a mandatory buyback of property which you have no constitutional right to own would be constitutional as well. The problem is participation would be extremely low.

 

[Too Rolling Stoned]

How goofy is this guy to pander so hard to illegal immigrants he wants people to call him Beto? With a last name like that he ain’t fooling anyone.

I also wonder if he knows Mexicans from Mexico don’t even like full-blooded Mexican Americans and don’t consider them one of theirs. His little act is all for nothing.

 

[Islam Imamate]

"No one is coming for your guns silly paranoid fools"

Its one guy desperately trying to become POTUS to no avail, his idea ain't going nowhere.

 

[hisandherpes]

i like how none of his democratic opponents call him out for being a white guy larping as a mexican