Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by -guerilla-, Jul 7, 2019.
Do u belive wrestling is a better base than shooto and pankratIon??
Yeah all the good coaches thinks wrestling is the "best" !!!
Wrestling is on its high horse now but it will soon be replaced and then you will be eating crow just like all the BJJ guys that I crushed decades ago...
They reacted the exact same way
Niggy what is you talkin bout
No. What is this 2001? Are you an A-Class Shooter?
Edit: I am a big Shooto Fan. (That's Lion Takeshi in my profile pic)
I dont disagree that in American mma they favour the wrestlers, because they want American champs. If they didn’t care about marketability, the top 10 would look very different.
I do However disagree that the specialist will go away. We have actually seen even more top specialists. I also disagree that wrestling is not a great base for mma, as today we see several great, onedimensional Wrestlers have great success
I don’t agree, the training methods make guys training tough, and if they aren’t tough enough, they just quit
Not disagreeing but you can't really include side control in there, unless its an argument against strikers.
I'm pretty sure a guy like Maia could reclaim side control against a guy like Randleman and would be more likely to pass to side control if on top.
Wrestling was always the best base and will be in the future
Yes. Jack of all trades master of none tends to lose to jack of all trades master of one. The guys who rise to the top usually have at least one specialty to round out their skill set. The lack of all trades may become local show champs, but not elite level. The only jack of all trades I’ve seen go super far is Rory. Correct me if I’m wrong.
So if you have to specialize in at least one thing and then add the rest to be the most successful, wrestling remains the best base. It’s not like Japanese guys haven’t had their chance. But the best shooting guys mostly beat other shooto guys. Matt Hume is a pankration guy, right? He didn’t do great. And that’s back when guys weren’t even all that well rounded.
The evidence hurts your case. Believe what you want. But history proves you wrong. The knee counter will not change things as much as you think. It’s just another front kick. The new flavor of the month that guys will attempt and fail at more than they succeed.
It's incredible that you seem to watch and follow this sport yet seem to also understand so very little. It's hard to imagine how someone could be this lost.
Please explain what you mean in the first sentence. I was obviously making the argument that knees on the ground favor wrestlers over strikers.
It would be doubtful that Maia would get side control on Randleman when he was in his prime, it's hard to maintain side control against someone that's a much better wrestler and much bigger and stronger. Maia could definitely sub him though.
You seem to have absolutely no concept for how evidence and logic correspond. You simply assert that the only reason there could possibly be for a wrestler not to do MMA is that they would be bad at it (when in fact there are countless good reasons why that might not be the case). Then, when I call you out for just saying shit without any evidence to prove that it's real, you provide this random clip of Jorge Masvidal. We're really blessed to live in a society where someone with your logical reasoning abilities could make it to adulthood.
So you suggest that the sport of wrestling is actually MORE EFFECTIVE than shooto or pankratIon for MMA?
Then why dont they dominate SOCCERKICK MMA???
They are EXTREEMLY good at wrestling in japan and russian
Their wrestlers beat American wrestlers in WRESTLING
Wrestlers don't dominate SOCCERKICK MMA
Something dosent add up?
I think so. Who is the best Shooto/Pankration fighter in MMA?
Wasn't Askren dominating the so-called "soccerkick MMA" until recently? That's one example that works against the OP.
Wrestling and BJJ are bad bases for mma? I have been wrong this whole goddamn time. Why didn't you post when you changed the face of mma decades ago after killing BJJ?
This is the people who do not understand wrestling do not get.
Wrestling is the best base for MMA and will probably for ever be. In wrestling you don't get your brain damaged. Also the training is freaking tough sometimes pure hell. You will learn to control your body and your opponent in a way that you will never learn in any standup fighting. BJJ is good but it does not teach you takedowns and most in most of the practices you use gi.
Henry is a double champ and is still pretty green in MMA. OP is clueless...
Because it takes more than wrestling to be a good mma fighter. It's not that hard to understand.
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