best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[-guerilla-]

You're making me repeat myself. I've already listed a number of reasons why someone wouldn't go into cagefighting. You're just in denial. When a necessary premise of your argument is that "the only reason someone wouldn't go into MMA doesn't is because they would be bad at it" then you know you fucked up.

Zero $ in wrestling
Massive $ in MMA

The reason the best wrestlers don't come over to MMA is because they know they'll get beat in it since they dont know MMA just wrestling

because wrestling is not the best base for MMA

Shooto is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooto

 

[45ACP]

I've been coaching wrestling for 2 decades

you're never supposed to stick your arms out and your head down...thats a "dive"

A proper snatch is actually the exact opposite

head up arms in

Your arms shoot out for a split-second on the snatch and pull right back up to your chest like a praying mantis

If he wasn't a specialist he wouldn't have made that mistake

classic wrestlers panic

Wait, so if he wasn't such a specialist in wrestling, he would be better at wrestling moves?

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

The reason the best wrestlers don't come over to MMA is because they know they'll get beat in it since they dont know MMA just wrestling

because wrestling is not the best base for MMA

Shooto is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooto

“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
Christopher Hitchens.

 

[-guerilla-]

Wait, so if he wasn't such a specialist in wrestling, he would be better at wrestling moves?

Yeah

the problem is the flying knee isn't a wrestling move and so it creates panic a wrestlers reaction

If askren had been a chute box professional he wouldn't have got caught by that most likely

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Just make illegal strikes legal against wrestlers and UFC enters a new golden age

 

[-guerilla-]

“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”
Christopher Hitchens.

Exhibit 1

 

[-guerilla-]

Just make illegal strikes legal against wrestlers and UFC enters a new golden age

The unified rules were designed to create a situation where wrestlers dominate

the fact that they kept 95% of freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestlers out of the UFC means the only thing they're left with is our All American folkstyle wrestlers

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...restlers-in-the-ufc-past-and-present.3969399/

 

[mraa1]

How come they haven't dominated SOCCERKICK MMA for the last 20 years

Wrestling dominates American MMA

thats it

What is "soccerkick mma"? like ONE? You forget that Askren was an undefeated champ in ONE?

 

[-guerilla-]

What is "soccerkick mma"? like ONE? You forget that Askren was an undefeated champ in ONE?

Thats a good example

wrestlers have done very well in soccer kick MMA but they certainly don't dominate it the way they do in the UFC

that's what this thread about is about

Wrestlers DOMINATE American MMA because the rules are set up in their favor

Wrestlers never dominate soccer kick MMA although they have a strong showing more befitting of their skill sets

King mo and Dan Henderson both did extremely well in soccer kick MMA

But wrestler certainly don't dominate it the way they do in American MMA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rizin_Fighting_Federation

Division Champion Since Defenses
Light Heavyweight Jiří Procházka April 21, 2019 0
Bantamweight Kyoji Horiguchi December 31, 2018 0
Women's Atomweight Ayaka Hamasaki December 31, 2018 1

Championship historyEdit
Light Heavyweight ChampionshipEdit
Weight limit: 93 kg (205.0 lb)
No. Name Event Date Defenses
1 Jiří Procházka
def.Muhammed Lawal Rizin 15
Yokohama, Japan April 21, 2019
Bantamweight ChampionshipEdit
Weight limit: 61 kg (134.5 lb)
No. Name Event Date Defenses
1 Kyoji Horiguchi
def.Darrion Caldwell Rizin 14
Saitama, Japan December 31, 2018
Women's Super Atomweight ChampionshipEdit
Weight limit: 49 kg (108.0 lb)
No. Name Event Date Defenses
1 Ayaka Hamasaki
def. Kanna Asakura Rizin 14
Saitama, Japan December 31, 2018 1. def. Jinh Yu Frey at Rizin 16 on June 2, 2019

Grand-Prix ChampionsEdit
MMAEdit
Weight Class Champion Runner-up Event Date Tournament Bracket
Rizin Heavyweight 100 kg 2015 Muhammed Lawal Jiří Procházka Rizin WGP 2015: Part 2 - Iza December 31, 2015 Rizin 100 Kg Grand-Prix bracket
Rizin Openweight 2016 Mirko Filipović Amir Aliakbari Rizin WGP 2016: Final Round December 31, 2016 Rizin Openweight Grand Prix 2016 bracket
Rizin Bantamweight 61 kg 2017 Kyoji Horiguchi Shintaro Ishiwatari Rizin WGP 2017: Final Round December 31, 2017 Rizin Bantamweight Grand Prix 2017 bracket
Rizin Women's Super Atomweight 49 kg 2017 Kanna Asakura Rena Kubota Rizin WGP 2017: Final Round December 31, 2017 Rizin Women's Super Atomweight Grand Prix 2017 bracket


Japan has a very strong wrestling history in fact per capita Japan produces more great wrestlers than most countries coming in the top 4 in almost every olympic games

However their MMA tournaments are not dominated by wrestlers

All-time medal table – 1896–2016Edit
Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1

Soviet Union (URS) 62 31 23 116
2

United States (USA) 54 43 35 132
3

Japan (JPN) 32 20 17 69

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling_at_the_Summer_Olympics

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

Stop making threads about this

 

[thobra]

I think you Are wrong.
One dimensional grapplers like Khabib, Colby, Maia keep winning fights.

DC, that many consider among the best ever, is, like Cain a strong wrestler (And not much more), that has some success in the standup because the fear of the takedown. We saw What happened to Cain in the standup when he fought a guy that welcomed the TDS.

 

[-guerilla-]

I think you Are wrong.
One dimensional grapplers like Khabib, Colby, Maia keep winning fights.

DC, that many consider among the best ever, is, like Cain a strong wrestler (And not much more), that has some success in the standup because the fear of the takedown. We saw What happened to Cain in the standup when he fought a guy that welcomed the TDS.

In American MMA the wrestlers still have an artificial advantage

In Japan
(a country with more wrestlers per capita)

Wrestlers are not dominating MMA

You are getting the USA mixed up with the whole world

It's really common for people to consider what's around them as the whole world

it might be YOUR whole world
but it's not THE whole world

 

[-guerilla-]

Stop making threads about this

Each THREAD is different

Morons respond similarly

Thats why your confused

 

[dmwalking]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

LMFAOOOOO. Do you even train bro?

Let's go down the list of champs:

DC: Wrestler (Silver Medalist=highly accomplished wrestler)
Jones: Wrestler
Whitaker: Not sure of his base
Usman: Wrestler
Khabib: Wrestler
Max: Not sure of his base
Cejudo: Wrestler (gold medalist means he's the most accomplished wrestler which invalidates your point)

Please tell me more about how the most accomplished wrestlers will NEVER find success in MMA because you witnessed a couple flying knee KO's. Guess what? Flying knee counters to takedowns have existed since the NHB days. Matt Hughes got KO'd by Pele via flying knee. And yet, despite the existence of the counter knee, wrestlers still dominate. Please tell me more.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Each THREAD is different

Morons respond similarly

Thats why your confused

No it's all the same , how many D1 wrestlers have you produced as a coach?

 

[-guerilla-]

as one can clearly see wrestlers do not dominate soccer kick MMA

Pride:

Weight divisions[edit]
Division Weight limit Champion Since Title defenses
Heavyweight Unlimited Fedor Emelianenko March 16, 2003 3
Middleweight 93 kg (205 lb) Dan Henderson February 24, 2007 0
Welterweight 83 kg (183 lb) Dan Henderson December 31, 2005 0
Lightweight 73 kg (161 lb) Takanori Gomi December 31, 2005 1
Tournaments[edit]
An asterisk (*) indicates that the tournament was also a title fight.

Year/weight division Champion Runner up Event
2000 Openweight Mark Coleman Igor Vovchanchyn Pride Grand Prix 2000 Finals
2003 Middleweight Wanderlei Silva Quinton Jackson Pride Final Conflict 2003
2004 Heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira Pride Shockwave 2004*
2005 Middleweight Mauricio Rua Ricardo Arona Pride Final Conflict 2005
2005 Welterweight Dan Henderson Murilo Bustamante Pride Shockwave 2005*
2005 Lightweight Takanori Gomi Hayato Sakurai Pride Shockwave 2005*
2006 Openweight Mirko Filipović Josh Barnett Pride Final Conflict Absolute
2006 Welterweight Kazuo Misaki Denis Kang Pride Bushido 13

 

[-guerilla-]

No it's all the same , how many D1 wrestlers have you produced as a coach?

I understand why you are confused...

you think I hate wrestling [even tho i am a wrestling coach]

dont try to change the subject and start interrogating me about my coaching background

my guys become pro mma fighters not obsolete d squad wrestlers....

 

[-guerilla-]

LMFAOOOOO. Do you even train bro?

Let's go down the list of champs:

DC: Wrestler (Silver Medalist=highly accomplished wrestler)
Jones: Wrestler
Whitaker: Not sure of his base
Usman: Wrestler
Khabib: Wrestler
Max: Not sure of his base
Cejudo: Wrestler (gold medalist means he's the most accomplished wrestler which invalidates your point)

Please tell me more about how the most accomplished wrestlers will NEVER find success in MMA because you witnessed a couple flying knee KO's. Guess what? Flying knee counters to takedowns have existed since the NHB days. Matt Hughes got KO'd by Pele via flying knee. And yet, despite the existence of the counter knee, wrestlers still dominate. Please tell me more.

my profile is filled out buddy...read it

UFC IS NOT= 2 MMA

A 5th grader who has had his 1st practice is technically a "wrestler"

do you believe that

Jones
Usman:
Khabib:
Cejudo:

are the best wrestlers in the world??

If not [and wrestling is the best base for MMA]

why haven't the guys that beat them in wrestling come over and beat them in MMA??

 

[dmwalking]

my profile is filled out buddy...read it

UFC IS NOT= 2 MMA

A 5th grader who has had his 1st practice is technically a "wrestler"

do you believe that

Jones
Usman:
Khabib:
Cejudo:

are the best wrestlers in the world??

If not [and wrestling is the best base for MMA]

why haven't the guys that beat them in wrestling come over and beat them in MMA??

Cejudo is literally an olympic gold medalist. That makes him the best wrestler in the world in his weight class.

The rest have wrestling/grappling as their base.

Why haven't the guys who beat them in wrestling come over and beat them in MMA? Because MMA is a different sport with different rules that requires different skill sets. Comparing the two is like comparing boxing to kickboxing or comparing rugby to football. They may have similar elements, but they're still unique sports. Not every kickboxer will be a good boxer. Not every boxer will be a good kickboxer. Not every football player would be good at rugby and vice versa.

Nearly every champ has a wrestling/grappling base. American wrestlers AND wrestlers from other countries. Why is that? Why is it that the flying knee counter has existed for decades and yet grapplers still dominate?

Get over it. Wrestling is the best base. Not even so much for the wrestling, although that is an excellent tool to have. It's more about the conditioning and mentality. Wrestlers are typically tougher than most other fighters. And the evidence is apparent. And don't respond with the exceptional examples. Typically does not mean always. I'm not saying always or never. I'm just saying that in general, this is the case. It has yet to be disproven.

The game is evolving. I'll agree with you on that. But even if the flying knee becomes more popular, that's not going to suddenly make wrestling invalid. That's like saying if guys start learning head movement, punches will be invalid. Nah, wrestling will still work. Knees will miss. Wrestling will still dominate as the best foundation for MMA.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

I understand why you are confused...

you think I hate wrestling [even tho i am a wrestling coach]

dont try to change the subject and start interrogating me about my coaching background

my guys become pro mma fighters not obsolete d squad wrestlers....

Lmao. Shitty wrestling coach, got it.