best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

LMAO, yes cause fighters who have trained in MMA from the start have never been hit with flying knees and are much better at takedowns than wrestlers.

Okay funny guy...

Clearly almost no American has trained MMA from the very start as it is a relatively new sport and our profit minded gyms are going to continue the fallacy that it is best to train in multiple different styles and "glue" them all together

MMA literally means mixed martial arts but we should come up with a better name for it because it is its own style now

BJJ+WRESTLING+THAI BOXING trained separately are truly MMA...BUT thats not really a good name anymore

MMA was the old term...we should call it "freefighting" or something else today

I call MMA shooto at my gym

Thats what it really is

The Japanese invented modern MMA in 1984





So I would argue somebody trained in shooto or pancrace from the start would be more effective than wrestlers

Wrestling is going to be relegated to the Dustbin of grappling Sports history in our lifetime...much like sport BJJ
 
Oh for sure no knees to a downed opponent and the cage help wrestlers or just grapplers in general a lot, but I don't see them changing that rule any time soon

Imo downward elbows, soccer kicks and knees on the ground should all be legal

I have always argued that the unified rules are nothing to do with safety and all about making it easier for a wrestler to achieve a takedown

Get your TD, Lay and pray and get the decision

I have been converting my high school wrestlers into MMA athletes for 20 years

We have all the advantages in modern American SAFESPACE MMA

Honestly all the wrestler has to do is take somebody down and then pound away at their guard

Many refs will stop the fight in about five unanswered blows
 
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I watch all kinds of MMA but the UFC uses North American rules and you are in the UFC section of Sherdog and are talking about the UFC so what's the point of bringing up other rule sets?

Besides knees on the ground help wrestlers more than anyone else.

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Arona isn't a wrestler but of all the BJJ specialists to come to MMA his wrestling was the best.


The sport has evolved a lot since those steroid experiments were able to hold down some guys and slap away with 1/2 ass knee attacks

What REALLY helps the wrestlers is the ref stopping fights after a few unanswered blows

So a wrestler has to bash away at you with his hands instead of his knees
(Not a massive infringement of his style as they arent any good at knees anyway) plus they rarely finish anyone that way and many escape because the wrestlers are amateurish at throwing them

Plus the bottom man can slam knees into the wrestlers just as hard

We had lots if guys that got kos from crosside bottom by knee to the top mans temple or at least reversed position by slamming one into the top mans ribs...very very effective

Its 90% designed to allow a ground fighter safety from knees while digging for a takedown

Now take knees away from a Japanese/THAI trained or chute box guy and you have REALLY changed his game to the detriment

Knees dont come from American martial arts/sports

They are uniquely un-American
 
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Yes specialist still exist today in the sport of boxing

look at Naseem Hamed he was extraordinary successful with a wildly unorthodox style

Specialist counter puncher

but they're very rare and wrestling's current Dominance in the UFC will wain
Sure, it will wane as it has in the past, and it will come back as it has in the past. The pendulum will always swing back and forth and wrestling will always be a great base for MMA.
 
Sure, it will wane as it has in the past, and it will come back as it has in the past. The pendulum will always swing back and forth and wrestling will always be a great base for MMA.

Wrestling participation rates have been plummeting throughout the United States there's a good chance that it ends up surviving in the strip malls of America taught as a martial art but I think we are definitely seeing it Contracting in the school system and its relevance for MMA will be diminishing as less and less athletes have access to high-quality low-cost wrestling training through the school system

One could easily argue that it was over fluffed to begin with and was simply in the right place at the right time

Just consider if we had pancrace, combat sambo or shooto in America prior to the UFC

they would be by far the most effective base for MMA

Its not style so mutch as compared to what kind of people are training in it and their sheer overwhelming numbers as compared to people who have to pay for training in Americas strip mall martial arts community

the fact is the greatest grapples and strikers will never do that good in MMA because they are over specialized in there particular disciplines whether it's wrestling, boxing, muay thai or BJJ they all have fatal flaws

MMA requires a generalist and that is something the top tier athletes in their respective sports will never be by definition

The crying shame is we don't have proper MMA training in the United States as we still continue to break it into multi discipline practice

The day I'm driving down the street in small town America and I see a SHOOTO gym will be the day Americans begin to dominate MMA

Until that day will practice
BJJ on Monday
wrestling on Tuesday
standup on Wednesday
and actually think we are MMA fighters

The only thing dumber is thinking someone who specializes in just one of those disciplines is going to be dominant in MMA

Wrestling is a good base for MMA but it's not the BEST base for MMA like people believe it is
 
Wrestling participation rates have been plummeting throughout the United States there's a good chance that it ends up surviving in the strip malls of America taught as a martial art but I think we are definitely seeing it Contracting in the school system and its relevance for MMA will be diminishing as less and less athletes have access to high-quality low-cost wrestling training through the school system

One could easily argue that it was over fluffed to begin with and was simply in the right place at the right time

Just consider if we had pancrace, combat sambo or shooto in America prior to the UFC

they would be by far the most effective base for MMA

Its not style so mutch as compared to what kind of people are training in it and their sheer overwhelming numbers as compared to people who have to pay for training in Americas strip mall martial arts community

the fact is the greatest grapples and strikers will never do that good in MMA because they are over specialized in there particular disciplines whether it's wrestling, boxing, muay thai or BJJ they all have fatal flaws

MMA requires a generalist and that is something the top tier athletes in their respective sports will never be by definition

The crying shame is we don't have proper MMA training in the United States as we still continue to break it into multi discipline practice

The day I'm driving down the street in small town America and I see a SHOOTO gym will be the day Americans begin to dominate MMA

Until that day will practice
BJJ on Monday
wrestling on Tuesday
standup on Wednesday
and actually think we are MMA fighters

The only thing dumber is thinking someone who specializes in just one of those disciplines is going to be dominant in MMA

Wrestling is a good base for MMA but it's not the BEST base for MMA like people believe it is
I can't wait for the day when most MMA fighters grow up with MMA as a base. Their striking and grappling will be suited for MMA and not sport-specific BJJ, boxing, or wrestling.
 
Specialists are still winning. Adesanya is a recent example. Jack of all trades has been around forever and they often lose to specialists. It really comes down to the fighter.
 
I can't wait for the day when most MMA fighters grow up with MMA as a base. Their striking and grappling will be suited for MMA and not sport-specific BJJ, boxing, or wrestling.

I don't know if that's ever going to happen because there isn't much money and lots of risk in a MMA gym and there's a ton of money and not as MUCH risk in a martial arts "boutique" gym
 
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Specialists are still winning. Adesanya is a recent example. Jack of all trades has been around forever and they often lose to specialists. It really comes down to the fighter.

yeah that's a really great Point as a specialist can come in there and exploit a hole in someone's game
 
Yep, wrestling is on notice.

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Cute little cartoon

Just because most of your favorite mma champions are wrestlers doesn't mean wrestling is the best base for MMA

those guys are good wrestlers but they're not the best wrestlers

that's what this thread is about

I know it's a little bit complex
 
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Just because most of your favorite mma champions are wrestlers doesn't mean wrestling is the best base for MMA

those guys are good wrestlers but they're not the best wrestlers

that's what this thread is about

I know it's a little bit complex
Khabib, Cejudo and DC aren’t at the top of the list wrestlers in MMA? WTF dude? There’s actually nothing complex in your statement... just insanity.
 
Khabib, Cejudo and DC aren’t at the top of the list wrestlers in MMA? WTF dude? There’s actually nothing complex in your statement... just insanity.

Swing and a miss

They are likely the best wrestlers in the UFC

but they are certainly not the best wrestlers in WRESTLING

Thats why the title said the "best wrestlers"

Meaning the best wrestlers in the world...not UFC
 
125 champ: Wrestler
135 champ: Wrestler
145 champ: Striker but fighting a wrestler for the title next
155 champ: Wrestler
170 champ: Wrestler
185 champ: Striker who wrestled for Australia in the commonwealth games
205 champ: Wrestler
HW champ: Wrestler

Lol.
 
Have you met Velasquez, Lesnar, Jones, Cormier, Weidman, Romero, GSP, Usman, most of the welterweight division, Khabib, Edgar, Johnson, and Cejudo to name a few?
 
russia and eastern europe seem to be pretty good at wrestling
 
125 champ: Wrestler
135 champ: Wrestler
145 champ: Striker but fighting a wrestler for the title next
155 champ: Wrestler
170 champ: Wrestler
185 champ: Striker who wrestled for Australia in the commonwealth games
205 champ: Wrestler
HW champ: Wrestler

Lol.

And none of them the best wrestlers in the world!!!

How come all those guys who DOMINATED Dan Cormier in wrestling dont come beat him in MMA

SINCE...
they are BETTER wrestlers
AND....
wrestling is the best for MMA
 
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