Best way to defend knee slice pass

[3s_em1]

what is the best way to defend knee slice pass? sweep or stop it...does not matter.

Opponent also has an under-hook on the non-passing side?

I've been scooting to the left (if they are passing on the right and usually go for the single leg but never have enough strength or technique to pull it off. Any tips?

 

[Zankou]

Controlling the ankle is the best defense.

Also using a hook, either reverse DLR or shin-guard, to block the pass. The bottom line is you want to make it impossible for them to drop the knee to the mat. If they get the knee to the mat, you are in bad shape.

There are many other defenses ("Fight for underhook" or "cross collar grip, go to knees, reguard"), but they are late defenses and against a strong knee slicer they don't really work well.

Blocking with your free knee works up to a certain level of skill, but then it stops working and actually helps the passer.

 

[platfox]

what is the best way to defend knee slice pass? sweep or stop it...does not matter.

Opponent also has an under-hook on the non-passing side?

I've been scooting to the left (if they are passing on the right and usually go for the single leg but never have enough strength or technique to pull it off. Any tips?

I ask this question to alot of higher belts and I get a different answers most of time. The bolded above is the most common response.

Another answer is to use my left leg to hook the opponents right leg under the thigh (similar to like a de la riva guard). Its hard to get sometimes because their isn't much space.

 

[Grandprix]

what is the best way to defend knee slice pass? sweep or stop it...does not matter.

Opponent also has an under-hook on the non-passing side?

I've been scooting to the left (if they are passing on the right and usually go for the single leg but never have enough strength or technique to pull it off. Any tips?

This is my favorite way to pass.

All I can say is, don't let them get the underhook, if they insist on passing even without the underhook, then take their back.

If they do get the underhook and pass, right away whizzer, elbow in and hip heist to your knees.

If you're talking about pulling a takedown from this position, it's not about your strength, it's where u grip.

In wrestling from this position you should be gripping by the ankle not around the knees.that way he cant pull his leg away and rotate with you. Turn the corner and drive.

If he has his arm around your back grabbing onto something and stopping you, pull a granby roll to get him on his back. Hip heist towards his legs back to side control.

If you need more elaboration lemme know.

This is all no-gi btw

 

[3s_em1]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the input.

 

[redaxe]

If you get a cuff grip on the pants of the leg, he won't be able to slide it through, then you can turn to de la riva guard or turn the other way and dive under his leg to deep half. Ryan Hall shows this defense on his deep half guard DVD.

I've honestly never felt too threatened by the knee slide pass since I learned to play DLR guard with a grip on the ankle. I use it constantly against guys who don't have a good DLR though.

 

[BatBoyJG]

You could get on your side and tornado roll as they are passing, but that's a little more advanced.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

One of my favorite counters:

I like to get the underhook. Then lace a lapel or belt around my opponent's leg (the one that is knee slicing), and feed it to my underhook hand. I put my outside foot as a hook under the opponent's ankle (of the knee slice leg). I grab his far side sleeve/wrist with my non-underhook hand, and drive it between his legs. Kick up with the hook on his ankle while using the other foot as a post for leverage. He should roll forward. Be ready to come up into his open guard/scramble.

 

[gocubs1815]

Before you do anything, you gotta stop the pass.

I was taught squeeze your guard and use your hands to block the knee. THEN once you've stuffed/halted the pass, then you can sweep.

Plus they won't get that pass if you don't let them break your guard... duh!

 

[Macungah]

I block the tip of their knee with my hand and tuck the elbow into my body or on the ground depending on the angle. It stops them from shoving the knee any further. Then I redirect their knee a little to the outside and shrimp/readjust into a deep half position.

If it's very early in the pass, you can scoop under and take the back using your reverse de la riva hook.

It's actually not that hard, but it only works if you get them on the transition in between when they are standing and then go for the slice. If they are good (or you are late), it'll be hard because the ideal knee slice involves being almost seated onto your own heels.

Also, if you ever get reverse de la riva, putting the outside leg on their hip (like Sassa does in the video) will prevent them from lowering their weight. This will give you more options. Like if you armdrag someone with a reverse de la riva hook and have the foot on their hip, you can flip people over.

 

[Shemhazai]

This is my defensive hierarchy against the knee-cut:

1. Hold the heel and straighten the leg by pressuring against the upper shin with my thigh. Either standard DLR with the outside heel grip or spiral guard with the inside heel grip. With both variations, the inside DLR hook comes in to keep the knee pointed outward.

2. When the opponent drives the knee too far forward for the ankle grip to be effective anymore, I make sure to close off the inside space (hugging my bottom knee) to block his path to the mat, and focus on redirecting the knee to the outside. From here there are a few options: If able to keep a knee shield with the inside DLR hook, it's possible to either underhook the far leg for a deep reverse DLR/full X-guard position, or kick the bottom leg out for a one-legged X-guard (see MGinaction). If the opponent begins to stuff the inside knee shield, however, I like to let him stuff it, only to use it to knee him in the butt and dive to a Paragon style deep half.

3. If my opponent's knee crosses my centerline, and I can't force it outside, I look to get an outside knee shield (

 

[sha]

I like pushing the knee to prevent it from crossing over. This is a pretty fast pass, especially no-gi, so I would rather rely on a simple move than something too fancy that takes more time.

 

[mj12]

This is my new goto move from there.

 

[Uchi Mata]

As the knee is coming through, I like to block it and shift it towards my body (away from the mat), hook his ankle with my inside leg, and roll under into deep half. Works pretty well. Jeff Glover has a demonstration of this method on his Deep Half DVD

 

[jbeitia]

you have to avoid de underhook once he got control on your shoulder and established a good base he has a high probability of passing your guard. Even if you try to go to deep half guard like jeff glover does he will have your arme trapped and will shoot for kimuras/americanas...

If you prevent the underhook and he is grabbing your lapel you can break his grip push that arm to the side hes passing and you have his back.

If you cant break his grip because maybe he has a crazy strong grip you can bump with your top knee behind his coxis quickly underhook and go to te back or you can get him to be on his guard if he is quick enough.

you can also go to deep half guard from here if you push hes knee to the middle of your belly (you must avoid him getting the knee on the mat first...)

I hope that helps... sorry for my english!!:redface: