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Best HWs Ever?

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  1. ippikiookami Blue Belt

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    Just sitting around with nothing to do, so I put together a list off the top of my head. Let me know if you agree or not:

    Fedor – longest win streak, beat four UFC champs
    Miocic – great resume and really well rounded
    Cormier – great resume and two division champ
    Crocop – probably the most feared fighter during his prime
    Werdum – tapped out two of the best HWs ever
    Valasquez – some amazing and gritty wins
    Coleman – father of ground and pound, 1st UFC HW champ
    Barnett – was ranked a top-10 HW forever
    Couture – two division champ that changed the game
    Vovchanchyn – opened the door for Russian fighters, amazing highlight reel

    Honorable Mentions: Nogueria, Mir, Lesner, Reem

    Yes, I know: Silvia isn't on the list. Don't think his reign stands the test of time.
     
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    How many times did Barnett pop for vitamins?
     
  3. pizzle Red Belt

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    Fedor
    Werdum
    Stipe
    Cain
    Overeem

    in that order (my personal list)
     
  4. Kyojiro Purple Belt Platinum Member

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    And Arlovski? Dos Santos?
     
  5. AmericanMMA Purple Belt

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    Reading Nog just as an honorable mention hurts my soul.
     
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  6. ippikiookami Blue Belt

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    Mine too -- if Fedor hadn't been around, Nog would have been THE heavyweight in Pride, and might have had a better run in the UFC (since he wouldn't have taken as much damage from the Fedor fights, which probably took years off his life). Nog would be top 5 if we were ranking these guys as people, or ranking heart and toughness, but I don't think his accomplishments puts him on the list.
     
  7. SeattleFightFan Steel Belt

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    All depends on how you define GOAT.

    Some think dominance in an era weighs heavy, and therefore Nog > Cain. Others view it as a "prime v prime" and Cain > Nog (even though his prime was a short couple of years). Some think DC's, Couture's LHW accomplishments don't count for much in a HW GOAT conversation. others disagree. Some mock Fedor's 3 big losses after 9 years of dominance, many think 9 years of dominance proves GOAT-ed-ness.

    Defining then weighing criteria is where the root of the matter lies.
     
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  8. Kung Fu Kowboy Volk 3 4 5 (7/11) Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    1. Fedor

    You can have the next how ever you want ranked...

    Nog
    Werdum
    Stipe
    Mirko
    Cormier

    Legends

    Couture
    Coleman
    Igor

    Fun to watch
    Brock
    Mir
    Reem
    Barnett
    Velasquez (brought to my attention I missed him from the OP list)
    ***think I got each fighter mentioned
     
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  9. No Skill Gap Green Belt Platinum Member

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    Who were the 4 UFC champs Fedor beat?

    Sorry, I'm not trying to discredit Fedor in this conversation but the 4 champions you speak of is counting Frank Mir in Bellator and Rampage Jackson in Bellator? That's a joke.

    Tim Sylvia was also past his prime or in a weird place when he lost to Fedor, not sure if I'd say that was a "prime" form of Sylvia at all, in fact I wouldn't. And the 4th guy is Arlovski? And at the time he was getting knocked out left and right from what I recall, he did have a resurgence after that fight but still...kind of an eh win at the time imo.

    It would be far more impressive to list wins over Big Nog x2, and even Coleman x2 + Randleman. I guess Coleman was a HW champion in the UFC technically at one point, so I guess Fedor beat 5 UFC champions. Well rack that to 6 if we count Big Nog's interim title.
     
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    Where do you place Ronda
     
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  11. No Skill Gap Green Belt Platinum Member

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    You're missing Cain Velasquez, unless you intentionally left him off. I think JDS/Cain both deserve some recognition actually if Frank Mir, Reem, Barnett, Lesnar, and Igor/Coleman/Couture are on the list. Well and Werdum. I think Werdum has some high quality names and won the belt, but is overrated.
     
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  12. qw3rty PM me for free filler-room uppercuts

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    I understand if TS want to skip Sylvia/Pitbull era...

    But JDS? Guy has a win over 3 of the first 6 guys of the list
     
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  13. No Skill Gap Green Belt Platinum Member

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    Agreed. JDS and Cain both aren't the GOATs of HW clearly, but they deserve to be mentioned. They both fell off hard, but shined bright for a short period of time.

    I would be willing to say they were better in their prime than Barnett, Werdum, Arlovski, Couture. Coleman, Cro Cop, and probably Overeem, ever were. I don't think that's too wild to say and I believe it's true.

    But they also had the benefit of "era" over all of those guys, even multiple generations.
     
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  14. Taric Gold Belt

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    You are clearly wrong. Fedor, Nogueira, and Werdum are vastly more accomplished than every other HW in MMA history. JDS and Stipe follow those three.
     
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  15. Kyojiro Purple Belt Platinum Member

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    You really can't just glaze over Arlovski imo without at least giving him a shout-out.
     
  16. Kyojiro Purple Belt Platinum Member

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    No he wasn't getting knocked out left and right, not at the time they fought. The losing spree started after the Fedor fight.
     
  17. Taric Gold Belt

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    Fedor - 12 ranked victories
    #1 fighters defeated (1):

    Nogueira 1
    Top 5 fighters defeated (5):
    Nogueira 3
    Cro Cop
    Arlovski
    Sylvia
    Herring
    Top 10 fighters defeated (6):
    Coleman 1
    Hunt
    Randleman
    Schilt
    Rogers
    Fujita

    Nogueira - 13 ranked victories
    #1 fighters defeated (1):

    Coleman
    Top 5 fighters defeated (5):
    Cro Cop
    Sylvia
    Herring 1
    Barnett 2
    Rodriguez
    Top 10 fighters defeated (7):
    Couture
    Werdum
    Herring 2
    Kharitonov
    Schaub
    Schilt
    Overeem

    Werdum - 10 ranked victories
    #1 fighters defeated (2):

    Fedor
    Velasquez
    Top 5 fighters defeated (2):
    Hunt
    Browne
    Top 10 fighters defeated (6):
    Overeem
    Gonzaga
    Nelson
    Alexander Emelianenko
    Russow
    Erikson

    JDS - 10 ranked victories
    #1 fighters defeated (1):

    Velasquez
    Top 5 fighters defeated (4):
    Lewis
    Rothwell
    Carwin
    Hunt
    Top 10 fighters defeated (5):
    Miocic
    Mir
    Nelson
    Cro Cop
    Werdum

    Miocic - 7 ranked victories
    #1 fighters defeated (2):

    Werdum
    Cormier
    Top 5 fighters defeated (4):
    Hunt
    Overeem
    JDS
    Ngnannou
    Top 10 fighters defeated (1):
    Arlovski

    Happy to help this thread out.
     
  18. ThePatriot Black Belt

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    Sylvia and Arlovski were legit wins.
    - Sylvia was 23-4. He had lost his title 3 fights prior to Couture (Decision) and an interim title fight to Nog (Fight where Nog was getting whooped)
    - Alrovski was on a 5 fight winning streak where he beat Rothwell (KO), Nelson (KO) and Werdum (Decision)

    Anyone counting the Mir and Rampage wins as being legit are just silly. Fedor's been out of his prime for a decade now. The only legit fighter he's been matched up with was Bader and he got KO'd in less then a minute,

    Fighters shouldn't be judged for the tail half of there careers. Combat sports are unique because you're able to complete well past your prime unlike other spots. It's rare to see guys go out on top.
     
  19. cmw43 Bad Boys Club

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    4 Champs not including Rampage or Mir would be Sylvia, Arlovski, Coleman and Randleman.

    I think you're memory might be a little shoddy here.

    Fedor fought Sylvia coming off a title shot against Nog where he beat the hell out of Nog for 2.5 rounds until Nog pulled out a hail mary sub. Sylvia was only 3 fights removed from being UFC Champ, I'd argue that physically Fedor had slowed down more than Sylvia had.
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    Arlovski in the run up to the Fedor fight was in by far the best form of his career, his boxing was sharp from training with Freddie Roach and he was lighting fast for a HW, his streak at the time was 5 wins and was career best form including beat Werdum and KOing Nelson and Rothwell and he was pretty unanimously ranked as the #2 HW behind Fedor.

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  20. JustAkidFrom209 Orange Belt

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    Stipe has the best wins.
    Fedor had the longest streak.
    Ngannou and CroCop most feared.

    You could make an argument for any of these tbh, maybe not Ngannou but he is shaping up to potentially be one in the future.

    IMHO, it’s Miocic. beat Reem, JDS, Francis, Werdum and a comeback against Cormier. All in spectacular fashion!
     
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