Best fighter with a bad win/loss record

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  1. Rudeboyben84

    Rudeboyben84 Purple Belt

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    When talking to newer fans they often really underrate some of the greats because their win/loss records, when they scan fight finger or wikipedia etc they dont look like the fighter that people saw them in their prime would say they were. Young fans often forget that legends retire after a string of losses and have yet to see the top figthers of todays downward spiral.

    To me the one that comes to mind is BJ Penn.

    16-10-2 doenst look good on paper at all.

    When you look more into it, for a fighter than never should have fought above 155lbs he only has lost to two lightweights or under in Edgar and Pulver. And for a man that made 145lbs he fought all the way up to heavyweight.

    Back in the day when Penn was one of the top pound for pound fighters you had the likes of Anderson Silva who would say he was the best MMA fighter around. Looking back at his old fights and his skill set I would certainly agree.

    Who you got for the most under rated fighter for people who simply judge them by their records?
     
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    FountOfWisdom Banned Banned

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    Randy.
     
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    Penn and Randy's records don't do them justice.

    Michihiro Omigawa is way better than his record suggests.

    Hunt and Hidehiko Yoshida as well.
     
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    Randy Couture definitely.
    Josh Koscheck
    Mark Hunt always sticks out for me aswell.
     
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    My first thought. Who else has fought for the title (interim or otherwise) with a W/L ratio that was just barely over 50%?
     
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    Hunt was thrown to the wolves very early in his MMA career. He was an accomplished kickboxer with a big name so they threw him in there with the top Pride HW's right off the bat. He had no ground game and suffered numerous defeats.
     
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    Fedor...:cool:
     
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    Actually he had a surprisingly good ground game. I was surprised he got out of so many submissions from Yoshida in his MMA debut. Besides that he was only subbed by Fedor and Barnett, which could have happened to anyone and he had been doing MMA for a couple of years by then. People think of his bad submission defense because after Pride ended he was out for over 1.5 years and had that handful of fights were he seemed like he didn't care anymore.
     
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    matt brown (19-12) and nate diaz (17-10) are better than their records might indicate.
     
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    Bj,randy,tito,hunt,reem
     
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    Randy is one for sure, but at the same time what he did was amazing. The guy was what? 34 when he started MMA? Most guys are already getting washed up about that time and he fought till almost 50. It would have been amazing to see him come in at 24 instead of 34 when physically he would have already been declining some.
     
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    I cant think of any but strongly agree that W/L records are only useful when used with a shitload of context.
     
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    Hardly. Hunt debuted against a very one dimensional, undersized Yoshida. Then he fought another LHW in Wanderlei. Then favorable style matchup with Mirko, Nishijima and TK. Hunts record reflects his skillset, imo (a good fighter susceptible to submissions and unable to beat the cream of the crop)

    Couture, Penn, Sakuraba, Gomi, Shogun r guys whose record r deceiving of their legendary status. Wanderlei ' s UFC record is bad.
     
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    This.

    Yet another thread I fully agree with you on. What was with all those zombies saying Phil would crush Anderson?
     
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