Bernie Talks Vet Out of Suicide Over Medical Debt. Update: Bernie to the Rescue

[Deleted member 555403]

I suspect you'll never have an answer to it because there is no answer that doesn't make you sound like a loser.

Lol.

People dying is a good reason not to pay their debt. Or do you think their families should be responsible for it?

Check and mate, libtard

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Democratic socialism is the arguably the most successfull political ideology that has been concieved in the past century. The least corrput, the wealthiest, the best healthcare system and the countries with the lowest crime rates almost all have been run by democratic socialist for many decades. Meanwhile we can't even give our veterans full healthcare coverage despite paying twice the amount of any other developed country, total embarrassment for America. Go Go Bernie!

There's about 32 developed countries that have socialised healthcare, yet apparently it can't work in the US.

 

[DivineMind]

It's fucking brutal. My mom died of Huntingtons 6 years ago. It was a slow and steady decline over 4 years until her death. The last year was horrific. Thankfully my country has UHC so everything was covered for her care. Our whole family probably would of went insane if we had to cough up 10's of thousands of dollars every few months and dealt with the bureaucracy of health insurance companies during that time. It was hard enough as it was just witnessing the whole situation.

That's really bad, sorry u had to go through that.

 

[Sano]

It's fucking brutal. My mom died of Huntingtons 6 years ago. It was a slow and steady decline over 4 years until her death. The last year was horrific. Thankfully my country has UHC so everything was covered for her care. Our whole family probably would of went insane if we had to cough up 10's of thousands of dollars every few months and dealt with the bureaucracy of health insurance companies during that time. It was hard enough as it was just witnessing the whole situation.

Sorry to hear that man.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Trump wants Bernie. He knows America won’t vote for a Jewish president just like they wouldn’t vote for a women.

 

[Rek Rekington]

Trump wants Bernie. He knows America won’t vote for a Jewish president just like they wouldn’t vote for a women.

America prefers racist narcissists with no political experience.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

America prefers racist narcissists with no political experience.

Yup. Even though they accused his predecessor of being just a community organizer.

 

[tatanos]

I'll ask again, why shouldn't people pay their debt?

It's completely within humanity's ability to guarantee affordable and quality healthcare for all members of society - even to its poorest - and has already been accomplished in over 40 countries. Medicare for all has been adopted and been in place for decades across the world, meaning that there are people having their diseases treated for free through subsidized medical care before you were even born. The only obstacle to this being adopted in the United States are wealthy special interest groups, i.e. health insurance companies, the politicians they've bribed, and the media corporations they control. In 40+ countries, all opponents of socialized healthcare were bulldozed into submission through various pressures and lost elections to governments which were willing to provide medical care to people without driving them into debt or bankruptcy.

Medicare for all has less forms to fill, less accounting and bureaucracy, generally speaking less crap to deal with, and produces better outcomes for society. The only reason you don't want to see it adopted is because apparently you think debt is sacred and cannot be cancelled. More sacred than human life, according to you. Actually, it has been done before countless times and for different reasons throughout history.

So at this point, the only people you're defending are medical insurance providers and other parasites which insert themselves in between an ill person and their doctor. That's it. You really are just being a bitch for greedy paper pushers who make billions in profit every year denying affordable healthcare to Americans. You're not even talking about entrepreneurs and investors who are risking other people's money in an attempt to make more money, but unlucky and helpless sick people, stricken by cancers, genetic disorders, and a whole host of other bullshit they were unfortunate enough to be hit with.

How's that for a reason why people shouldn't enslave themselves to debt? Actually, what you think doesn't matter, we're going to get it done with or without people like you. Thankfully we live in a democracy and not a complete oligarchy, and medicare for all is one of the most popular and desired political proposals put forward in recent history.

 

[French Canadian]

Lol at having a developed country without healthcare for all. You guys live in a shithole.

 

[Seano]

Lol.

People dying is a good reason not to pay their debt. Or do you think their families should be responsible for it?

Check and mate, libtard

Any real answer that people shouldn't be responsible for their debt or will you just keep moving the goalposts?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Sounds like you spoke before thinking.

I spoke based on what I'd always understood. Unfortunately it turns out that what I had understood wasn't correct.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

To quote Bernie, “Democratic socialist... big difference.”



But there is really no reason to get hung up on names when you can just look at the policies he’s proposed. He’s never proposed “centralized state control of the means of production,” so just reeeeing “socialism!” whenever his name comes up is hacky.

(But, of course, it will be the GOP’s central strategy if Bernie is the Democratic nominee, since, naturally, they will have no desire to make the debate about actual issues in America.)

That's like saying its better to be robbed by a NICE theif.

 

[franklinstower]

"Nobody likes him"...

Nobody "Important" likes him.

 

[No MSG]

It's fucking brutal. My mom died of Huntingtons 6 years ago. It was a slow and steady decline over 4 years until her death. The last year was horrific. Thankfully my country has UHC so everything was covered for her care. Our whole family probably would of went insane if we had to cough up 10's of thousands of dollars every few months and dealt with the bureaucracy of health insurance companies during that time. It was hard enough as it was just witnessing the whole situation.

I am so sorry to hear this. I know how hard it is to witness this disease. I never cried so hard in my life when my girlfriend was going thru this.

My girlfriend wanted me to take care of her but it is an impossible task. I begged and pleaded with her to let her family take care of her but her condition kept her from making rational choices. I had her father and sister updated daily.
I could not take care of her any longer. I did get her set up with Medicare and SSI She lost the ability to talk, walk, and feed her shelf.

Then finally her family got to take over and got her into a care center. She was so stubborn about this but she was a fighter.

All I can say is how bad this disease is.
I can only explain it as:
You watch somebody go crazy and you witness a person grow backwards in life. Walking, talking, thinking, eating and going to the bathroom, all the stuff you learned when you were growing up it just goes in reverse, it leaves you. It's nothing but being bed ridden with a feeding tube.

I noticed in the second video that the vet was already losing his speech. The disease also makes you think about committing suicide a lot.

Most people do not die from Huntingtons, they die from suicide, accidents like fires and choking caused by it. Some even choke on their tongues.

There is so much more but I'll leave it like this.
In the end she did not know me she just was in a happy place in her mind.

 

[forum poster]

I am so sorry to hear this. I know how hard it is to witness this disease. I never cried so hard in my life when my girlfriend was going thru this.

My girlfriend wanted me to take care of her but it is an impossible task. I begged and pleaded with her to let her family take care of her but her condition kept her from making rational choices. I had her father and sister updated daily.
I could not take care of her any longer. I did get her set up with Medicare and SSI She lost the ability to talk, walk, and feed her shelf.

Then finally her family got to take over and got her into a care center. She was so stubborn about this but she was a fighter.

All I can say is how bad this disease is.
I can only explain it as:
You watch somebody go crazy and you witness a person grow backwards in life. Walking, talking, thinking, eating and going to the bathroom, all the stuff you learned when you were growing up it just goes in reverse, it leaves you. It's nothing but being bed ridden with a feeding tube.

I noticed in the second video that the vet was already losing his speech. The disease also makes you think about committing suicide a lot.

Most people do not die from Huntingtons, they die from suicide, accidents like fires and choking caused by it. Some even choke on their tongues.

There is so much more but I'll leave it like this.
In the end she did not know me she just was in a happy place in her mind.

I know I still have a lot of guilt for not being around much those final years. You're absolutely right it's just so damn hard to witness in someone you love. Mom tried to choke herself in the final year several times but was revived. Even in the beginning when they're slowly losing they're ability to walk but insist on still trying to do things they shouldn't it just fills you with anxiety watching it. Then losing the ability to chew and swallow and talk as well as the constant chorea movements it's literally hell. When she passed we were just glad the nightmare was over for her. I still have occasional nightmares about it today.

The heredity rate is shockingly high so I've decided against getting gene tested, it's not something I want to think about. But I've told everyone if I develop the symptoms I'm getting my affairs in order and taking a trip to country that allows assisted suicide before I get too bad.

 

[RoJo303]

He sure is wacky.

He wants all Americans to have healthcare and good paying jobs.

Fucking nutjob.

His craziness is not so much craziness but rather quirkiness, and not so much found in his policy but can be found in some of his past writings from the 70's. And I don't necessarily think he is crazy, but there is a reason Trump gives him the moniker "Crazy Bernie". Sadly, in this day and age, it is considered crazy to care about other people and have empathy for all the peoples of the world. As a society, we value selfishness, encourage stepping on and over people to make money, we value greed, materialism, promote not having empathy and living for yourself and yourself alone. Bernie is a throwback in many ways to where the community cared about others, cared about the small guy and looked down on thieving monopolies and corporations.

 

[RoJo303]

This is pretty on point, good job. Except for the Bernie is wacky part.

Haha, true. If you see above, I don't really think he is crazy but his moniker is 'Crazy Bernie' after all. He also did write some hippy article about how women fantasize about being tied up and raped (?something like that) and he never had a job until what, his 40's? I mean he is 'crazy' in that he lived a verity unconventional life, governed by his morality and not greed. That is rare in this day and age where people do stuff to only benefit themselves. Heck, almost all great people, from Ghandi to Jesus would be considered stone cold nutters by today's standards. Our world promotes mediocrity by shaming those that dare to believe and care for others.

 

[No MSG]

I know I still have a lot of guilt for not being around much those final years. You're absolutely right it's just so damn hard to witness in someone you love. She tried to choke herself in the final year several times but was revived. Even in the beginning when they're slowly losing they're ability to walk but insist on still trying to do things they shouldn't it just fills you with anxiety watching it. Then losing the ability to chew and swallow then talk. When she passed we were just glad the nightmare was over for her.

The heredity rate is shockingly high so I've decided against getting gene tested, it's not something I want to think about. But I've told everyone if I develop the symptoms I'm getting my affairs in order and taking a trip to country that allows assisted suicide before I get too bad.

Her mom and grand mother had it.
When it runs in you family you have a 50/50 chance you are born with the gene.

There is good news for you. They are already having clinical trials going on for a cure.
Looks very promising!

You really need to google it and read up on it. Should set you mind to ease.

Gods speed and positive thoughts!

 

[forum poster]

Her mom and grand mother had it.
When it runs in you family you have a 50/50 chance you are born with the gene.

There is good news for you. They are already having clinical trials going on for a cure.
Looks very promising!

You really need to google it and read up on it. Should set you mind to ease.

Gods speed and positive thoughts!

Reading more and learning is something I've constantly actively avoided. Not something I want to think about at this stage. I do know that my mom was at lower end of the Gene copies and she didn't have symptoms until in her 50's. They've offered me to get gene tested and offered councelling before and after the test but I just chose not to think about it in any form, positive or negative. I'll cross that path maybe a decade or so down the road, maybe. How old was your girlfriend when she started showing symptoms? I'm 30 now myself

 

[No MSG]

Reading more and learning is something I've constantly actively avoided. Not something I want to think about at this stage. I do know that my mom was at lower end of the Gene copies and she didn't have symptoms until in her 50's. They've offered me to get gene tested and offered councelling before and after the test but I just chose not to think about it in any form, positive or negative. I'll cross that path maybe a decade or so down the road, maybe. How old was your girlfriend when she started showing symptoms?

She stated in her thirties but she was on the higer end but not juvenile Huntingtons.
You will be fine they will have a cure.

I know this is bring back bad memories for you and me.

I even looked at some her pictures today.

She had her tubes tied at an early age not wanting to pass on the gene.