Bernie Sanders proving he knows nothing about Capitalism

[Skip Reming]

Lol, is this silly old cracker off his fucking rocker??? ZERO understanding of capitalism. There is this thing where yes companies want to make as much money as they can
BUT, and this is very important about capitalism
there is COMPETITION
This drives rates down to a reasonable amount because the more competition there is, the more likely you are to get a better deal for less because you have options.

What is capitalism afraid of? Monopolies. Because this leads to no choice and the ability to raise prices and not off the best possible product.

A person with high school education should understand this. If X company is charging a crazy high price that lets company Y come in for less.

Bernie WANTS US ALL TO TRUST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. This is SOCIALISM 101 - You trust the fucking federal government with everything they run. Do you want to do that? I don't.

There is so much corruption in government and you want me to trust them and leave health care and whatever else in their hands? Without any competition?????

Only a fucking idiot would vote for Sanders for real.

This is some canadian healthcare for you. You will get people going to hospitals way to much for nothing and there will be less quality of doctors because you fucked up them making a lot of money and will do something else to make more money instead.




Ridiculous. The number 1 way to make healthcare and insurance MORE affordable is to limit/cap lawsuits and say no to bullshit lawsuits. The insurance is what makes doctor's visits so expensive. So many ridiculously high settlements are made. We need to cap this shit.

Off topic a little bit, but it is retarded to give a dumb bitch who spills McDs coffee on her millions of dollars or whatever she got.

Say no to Bernie, keep the cucks under the bed and out of office.

 

[panamaican]

Interesting. A rant about the positives of capitalism coupled with a complaint about the effects of litigation on capitalism. Followed up by a demand that we restrict litigation to protect professional businesses from the naturally occurring costs of operating in the free market. A statement that the cost of making bad decisions should be protected by legislators instead of letting the markets find their own solution.

It seems that neither Bernie nor the TS understand capitalism.

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Isn't there some rule about not being able to compete across state lines or something?

 

[IDL]

There is a point to be made there, but profit motivation and quality of service are not mutually exclusive.

Profit motive and beating competition can lead to a lower quality though (race to the bottom) in some circumstances.

Sometimes it is simply who can mass market better, cut more corners, and stamp out the underdogs with corrupt government contracts.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Lol, is this silly old cracker off his fucking rocker??? ZERO understanding of capitalism. There is this thing where yes companies want to make as much money as they can
BUT, and this is very important about capitalism
there is COMPETITION
This drives rates down to a reasonable amount because the more competition there is, the more likely you are to get a better deal for less because you have options.

What is capitalism afraid of? Monopolies. Because this leads to no choice and the ability to raise prices and not off the best possible product.

A person with high school education should understand this. If X company is charging a crazy high price that lets company Y come in for less.

Bernie WANTS US ALL TO TRUST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. This is SOCIALISM 101 - You trust the fucking federal government with everything they run. Do you want to do that? I don't.

There is so much corruption in government and you want me to trust them and leave health care and whatever else in their hands? Without any competition?????

Only a fucking idiot would vote for Sanders for real.

This is some canadian healthcare for you. You will get people going to hospitals way to much for nothing and there will be less quality of doctors because you fucked up them making a lot of money and will do something else to make more money instead.




Ridiculous. The number 1 way to make healthcare and insurance MORE affordable is to limit/cap lawsuits and say no to bullshit lawsuits. The insurance is what makes doctor's visits so expensive. So many ridiculously high settlements are made. We need to cap this shit.

Off topic a little bit, but it is retarded to give a dumb bitch who spills McDs coffee on her millions of dollars or whatever she got.

Say no to Bernie, keep the cucks under the bed and out of office.

Don't even start on Canadian healthcare , is it perfect ? no but keep in mind we spend almost half as much per capita and thats with having every single man women and child being covered something which the US cant claim .

Ive lived in the US and had a top notch plan , it pales in comparison .

 

[National Acrobat]

Interesting. A rant about the positives of capitalism coupled with a complaint about the effects of litigation on capitalism. Followed up by a demand that we restrict litigation to protect professional businesses from the naturally occurring costs of operating in the free market. A statement that the cost of making bad decisions should be protected by legislators instead of letting the markets find their own solution.

It seems that neither Bernie nor the TS understand capitalism.

 

[electricfuneral]

I am a Canadian citizen and I think our healthcare system is pretty good. My brother had a stroke caused by a brain aneurysm, his brain surgery and rehab was completly covered. No money spent out of pocked for what would have been $180k in expenses over the course of the year. Having a baby is free, all these major surgeries.

I am sure the quality of care is better in states, as is the quality of service everywhere. better food, nicer hotels, better doctors, better football, worse hockey worse beer. Americans have a very high standard.

 

[Lustercross]

American healthcare is only top notch for the rich. Everyone else has to put themselves through debt slavery just so they can pay for life saving treatment.

 

[Greoric]

Don't even start on Canadian healthcare , is it perfect ? no but keep in mind we spend almost half as much per capita and thats with having every single man women and child being covered something which the US cant claim .

Ive lived in the US and had a top notch plan , it pales in comparison .

Do you think you spend less because the resource is distributed more efficiently or because it's rationed?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

I am a Canadian citizen and I think our healthcare system is pretty good. My brother had a stroke caused by a brain aneurysm, his brain surgery and rehab was completly covered. No money spent out of pocked for what would have been $180k in expenses over the course of the year. Having a baby is free, all these major surgeries.

I am sure the quality of care is better in states, as is the quality of service everywhere. better food, nicer hotels, better doctors, better football, worse hockey worse beer. Americans have a very high standard.

That's incredible that your country does that. Good shit.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Do you think you spend less because the resource is distributed more efficiently or because it's rationed?

Its not rationed , some money is saved because things like mri's are only used for cases where wont cut it ( although we do need mire Mri machines ) and our doctors and nurses make a bit less , our facilities are a bit older especially in less urban areas but the single biggest factor is the removal of a profit motive , simple as that .

 

[nostradumbass]

I am a Canadian citizen and I think our healthcare system is pretty good. My brother had a stroke caused by a brain aneurysm, his brain surgery and rehab was completly covered. No money spent out of pocked for what would have been $180k in expenses over the course of the year. Having a baby is free, all these major surgeries.

I am sure the quality of care is better in states, as is the quality of service everywhere. better food, nicer hotels, better doctors, better football, worse hockey worse beer. Americans have a very high standard.

As with most anything, there are benefits and drawbacks. Free or cheap healthcare for everyone obviously sounds nice, but healthcare goddamn well should be high-profit because I want the best to be drawn to that field. There has to be competition and reason for innovation.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Its not rationed , some money is saved because things like mri's are only used for cases where wont cut it ( although we do need mire Mri machines ) and our doctors and nurses make a bit less , our facilities are a bit older especially in less urban areas but the single biggest factor is the removal of a profit motive , simple as that .

Paid a LITTLE less? I would say paid a lot less....

Furthermore, i doubt the US would adopt the Canadian style of Universal Health Care as it gives quite a bit of influence to the indivudal provinces (individual state) with an opt out option. If anythng the US would adopt the UK style or the Japanese style. However, despite the high grades the Japanese system gets - their doctors are paid comically low and they way they rush patients through leaves room for error.

I do not have high hopes on efficiency or quality of UHC system for a country of 300+ million. If anything - adopt a two tiered system; but then all the poor will just whine about how the rich have better doctors and facilities.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I am a Canadian citizen and I think our healthcare system is pretty good. My brother had a stroke caused by a brain aneurysm, his brain surgery and rehab was completly covered. No money spent out of pocked for what would have been $180k in expenses over the course of the year. Having a baby is free, all these major surgeries.

I am sure the quality of care is better in states, as is the quality of service everywhere. better food, nicer hotels, better doctors, better football, worse hockey worse beer. Americans have a very high standard.

Quality of care isn't better from my experience ( im sure there are outliers and regional disparities )

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Paid a LITTLE less? I would say paid a lot less....

If it was too much they would all head south i assume

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

If it was too much they would all head south i assume

Specialists make about 50% - 100%+, more

GP's make about 30% - 50%, more.

 

[Greoric]

Its not rationed , some money is saved because things like mri's are only used for cases where wont cut it ( although we do need mire Mri machines ) and our doctors and nurses make a bit less , our facilities are a bit older especially in less urban areas but the single biggest factor is the removal of a profit motive , simple as that .

That's impossible. Anyone who wants any medical procedure gets its whenever they want it? Everything that has a price is rationed, and healthcare has a price because it requires people to give it to you.

Moreover, if we suppose you are not rationing the care then you're supposing that a compulsory funded monopoly is distributing healthcare with optimal efficiency? Where is it getting the information for the factors of production without prices from voluntary customers?

 

[Greoric]

American healthcare is only top notch for the rich. Everyone else has to put themselves through debt slavery just so they can pay for life saving treatment.

You can thank the government and AMA for that.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

I am a Canadian citizen and I think our healthcare system is pretty good. My brother had a stroke caused by a brain aneurysm, his brain surgery and rehab was completly covered. No money spent out of pocked for what would have been $180k in expenses over the course of the year. Having a baby is free, all these major surgeries.

I am sure the quality of care is better in states, as is the quality of service everywhere. better food, nicer hotels, better doctors, better football, worse hockey worse beer. Americans have a very high standard.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

That's impossible. Anyone who wants any medical procedure gets its whenever they want it? Everything that has a price is rationed, and healthcare has a price because it requires people to give it to you.

Moreover, if we suppose you are not rationing the care then you're supposing that a compulsory funded monopoly is distributing healthcare with optimal efficiency? Where is it getting the information for the factors of production without prices from voluntary customers?

Non essential procedures are put on a waiting list as opposed to " on demand " and cosmetic procedures are not covered .

Last year my uncle had a hip replacement, he waited less than a year , my father had a lung issue ( asbestos ) he went to emergency one night when he was having trouble breathing, his lungs were filling up with fluid , his care could not have been better , literally no room for improvement.

A couple of years ago i got a shard of metal in my eye , went to emergency and within hours i had an appointment with one of the best eye surgeons in the province.

I have zero complaints with our health care system .