Ben Askren the latest example of minor-league hype not translating to the Major League of MMA.

[MikalP]

Ben Askren had retired for two fucking years before the UFC offered him a worthwhile contract. The guy was checked out before he started competing in the UFC. His run doesn't tell us shit other than it would have been way more interesting had him and Dana come to terms much earlier, because his personality is awesome.

You could just as easily use the WEC keeping the UFC afloat for years, Strikeforce fighters dominating the UFC roster, and even a Bellator guy coming over and becoming a champion pretty quickly as a counter to this dumb theory. Same with how successful guys like Rockhold, DC, Woodley, Mousasi, Alvarez, etc are. Or did you forget those guys came from other organizations too?

You can't just pick and choose the guys who don't do well to represent the "minor leagues" while ignoring all the ones that have had great success in the UFC.

 

[Captain Herb]

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So is he 5-11 or 6-2?

 

[Spookv]

Ben Askren had retired for two fucking years before the UFC offered him a worthwhile contract. The guy was checked out before he started competing in the UFC. His run doesn't tell us shit other than it would have been way more interesting had him and Dana come to terms much earlier, because his personality is awesome.

You could just as easily use the WEC keeping the UFC afloat for years, Strikeforce fighters dominating the UFC roster, and even a Bellator guy coming over and becoming a champion pretty quickly as a counter to this dumb theory. Same with how successful guys like Rockhold, DC, Woodley, Mousasi, Alvarez, etc are. Or did you forget those guys came from other organizations too?

You can't just pick and choose the guys who don't do well to represent the "minor leagues" while ignoring all the ones that have had great success in the UFC.

Askren was retired for less than a calendar year before signing with the UFC. Not two years. Rockhold, Dc, Woodley, Mousasi, Alvarez etc all came from the different orgs yes, but look at their schedule of fighters they have competed against compared to Askrens competition. Askren was going to have a rough go even if he signed with the UFC years ago, his striking would caused him to run into problems. But the only good thing about it is, it would have forced him to actually evolve and round out his game. Instead he didn't have to because he was beating people that caused to him to not push or achieve other skills to make his wrestling much more successful that it already was gainst top fighters.

 

[kenetics]

Your post is very confusing. Are you referring to Ben Askren? If so, get the fuck out of here, because your MMA knowledge is shit.

Well considering I owned an mma and a blackbelt in BJJ. I'm sure you know more about mma lol .

 

[Based and White Pilled]

Meanwhile Askren, Will Brooks, Hector Lombard, Jake Shields and a bunch of others came to the UFC with huge win streaks (double-digit in all cases except Brooks) and many expected them to win titles...but they all flopped. Let Lima come over and fight Usman, Colby or Masvidal and we'll talk...he's been fighting UFC leftovers so far. Rory was outstruck and beaten by Lawler (twice), Wonderboy and Condit before he left the UFC....Mousasi has been in practically every major org and is hardly a pure UFC fighter (he was another UFC flop for the most part)....and Larkin never even came close to a title shot.

Try another cherry-picked example...that one was terrible.

Jake Shields flopped...

Your credibility has expired

 

[Ysgramor]

What do you expect? Bellator is fucking trash.

Alvarez became champ in the UFC, after coming from Bellator. There's lots of fighters there that would put a clinic on UFC ones, and vice versa.

UFC after it incorporated Strikeforce, had for a short period of time the best fighters on the planet in its roster. The same thing cannot be said in 2019.

 

[IsNormal]

Did you count before making that post?

3 wins in 4 Pride fights (75% win rate)
9 wins in 12 UFC fights (75% win rate)
4 wins in 6 Strikeforce fights (66% win rate)

to be fair he's also got
4 wins in 5 Bellator fights (80%)

I agree with your post though. And personally I think that 80% over just 5 fights isn't that much to brag about, personally I kinda think a 75% win rate over 12 fights is a .

It's kinda weird to use Moose as an example of the UFC being vastly superior. You could use him to prove the opposite.

In Bellator, Gegard struggled with uninmpressive fighters like Schlemenko and Carvalho.

Yet he was still top5 or at least top7 in the UFC, beating the guy who was UFC champion just two years prior (Weidman) and the guy who would later put on one of the biggest threats to Jon Jones and one of the few to come close to stealing the LHW belt (Thiago Santos).

So what does that say about the UFC being supposedly miles ahead.

 

[WHITE ANDERSON]

ben askren came to UFC too late

prime ben askren tools GSP easy

 

[mkt]

Jake Shields flopped...

Your credibility has expired

Shields came to the UFC on a 12-fight win streak. Then he went 4-3 (and one NC) when he came to the UFC. But I know, "UFC competition isn't better than anywhere else, breh."

You math and reasoning abilities didn't expire...they never existed.

 

[mkt]

You seem very defensive over this. Look, no one is saying Bellator > UFC. I think the message people are trying to convey is that other organizations have very good fighters.

I'm not defensive...check out the hysterical guys at Worldwide if you want to see "defensive." I'm simply saying that practically every non-UFC champ has come with all sorts of hype and many of them found out that the competition level was vey different in the UFC after all. I'm sure Lima would find out the same thing. I mean seriously...a guy who got LnP'd by Askren and post-prime Rory (first fight) is going to KO Usman?

 

[mkt]

ben askren came to UFC too late

prime ben askren tools GSP easy

Yep, the same prime Askren who barely beat Jay Hieron (whom GSP easily finished) would "tool" GSP...a guy who beat like 6 or 7 D1 wrestlers.

 

[mkt]

Bigfoot Silva is also getting his shit pushed in outside the UFC. UFCs a joke.

Silva was never a UFC champ (got destroyed twice by Cain) but he's now about 10 years past his prime and in late-stage CTE. I guess Fedor losing in Bellator means no Pride champ was ever good either? I hope you were trolling, because that was probably the stupidest post in this thread yet...and that's saying a lot.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Not sure if trolling.

PFL:
Rashid Magomedov went 5-1 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 3-1-3 record in PFL
Jared Rosholt went 6-2 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 6-4 record in WSOF/PFL


In ACA, let's look at some of their non champions:

Khusein Khaliev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Khusein-Khaliev-76079
Azam Gafurov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Azam-Gafurov-198511
Salman Zhamaldaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/36529-salman-dzhamaldaev
Abdul Rakhman Dudaev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulRakhman-Dudaev-161789
Yusuf Raisov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Yusuf-Raisov-161785
Magomedrasul Khasbulaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/13532-magomedrasul-khasbulaev
Mukhamad Berkhamov https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Mukhamed-Berkhamov-137121
AAA: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulAziz-Abdulvakhabov-85495
Shabliy: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alexandr-Shabliy-72353
Vartanyan: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Eduard-Vartanyan-89087

All of those guys from ACA would have success in the UFC. As have Petr Yan and Zabit Magomedsharipov. You have no idea what you're talking about if you think the median fighter in the UFC is better than these guys.

These guys are very good but they'd all be the ranked guys in ACA.

I guess an average UFC middle of the pack lightweight is someone like Olivier Aubin Mercier, I feel confident that he's top ten at least in any other org.

 

[vanillaisis]

Yep, the same prime Askren who barely beat Jay Hieron (whom GSP easily finished) would "tool" GSP...a guy who beat like 6 or 7 D1 wrestlers.

Wow a fighter who in his 9th pro fight had trouble with a guy in a fight he won. So embarrassing. Khabib had trouble with Tibau and look where he's at now.

 

[TallGHunter]

The UFC is the Major League of MMA. It is time to face the facts - the era of Pride, Dream, Rizin, Strikeforce, WEC, Affliction, Elite XC, Bellator, etc trying to supplant UFC as the #1 Major League of MMA is over. UFC is where it is at - these other organizations, and future ones to come, will forever and always be minor league developmental orgs, or places for has-beens to make a few bucks on the way to retirement, with the rare exception of legit current talent leaving UFC for a huge contract elsewhere.

Sure, some fighters that enjoyed success outside the UFC can come in and do OK, like Justin Gaethje. But for every one of him, there are 3 like Ben Askren, Ill Will Brooks, and Marcin Held.

I'd suggest Velcro over laces, keep things workable for you

 

[Okajima]

0/10.

 

[jeskola]

0/10.

I am sorry that Japanese MMA failed. Go back to pretending Sumo Wrestling is interesting.

 

[BangBang]

Ben Askren has become more powerful than you could ever have imagined.

Vuuuum, vuum , vuuuuum,!!! ksssh!!! Ksssssssssh, kssh!

 

[snugglecakes]

But but but... hip problems but but but but... the jobby lawler win but but but jobber lawler was champ but but but but out of his prime but but but but ... would have been ufc champ for years if he came during his prime but but but but

 

[Okajima]

I am sorry that Japanese MMA failed. Go back to pretending Sumo Wrestling is interesting.

Another train wreck of a post.