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Ben Askren the latest example of minor-league hype not translating to the Major League of MMA.

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by jeskola, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. MikalP

    MikalP Brown Belt

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    Ben Askren had retired for two fucking years before the UFC offered him a worthwhile contract. The guy was checked out before he started competing in the UFC. His run doesn't tell us shit other than it would have been way more interesting had him and Dana come to terms much earlier, because his personality is awesome.

    You could just as easily use the WEC keeping the UFC afloat for years, Strikeforce fighters dominating the UFC roster, and even a Bellator guy coming over and becoming a champion pretty quickly as a counter to this dumb theory. Same with how successful guys like Rockhold, DC, Woodley, Mousasi, Alvarez, etc are. Or did you forget those guys came from other organizations too?

    You can't just pick and choose the guys who don't do well to represent the "minor leagues" while ignoring all the ones that have had great success in the UFC.
     
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  2. Captain Herb

    Captain Herb Bernie: Let's ride

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  3. Spookv

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    Askren was retired for less than a calendar year before signing with the UFC. Not two years. Rockhold, Dc, Woodley, Mousasi, Alvarez etc all came from the different orgs yes, but look at their schedule of fighters they have competed against compared to Askrens competition. Askren was going to have a rough go even if he signed with the UFC years ago, his striking would caused him to run into problems. But the only good thing about it is, it would have forced him to actually evolve and round out his game. Instead he didn't have to because he was beating people that caused to him to not push or achieve other skills to make his wrestling much more successful that it already was gainst top fighters.
     
  4. kenetics

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    Well considering I owned an mma and a blackbelt in BJJ. I'm sure you know more about mma lol .
     
  5. Canned Tuna

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    Jake Shields flopped...

    Your credibility has expired
     
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  6. Ysgramor

    Ysgramor Blue Belt

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    Alvarez became champ in the UFC, after coming from Bellator. There's lots of fighters there that would put a clinic on UFC ones, and vice versa.

    UFC after it incorporated Strikeforce, had for a short period of time the best fighters on the planet in its roster. The same thing cannot be said in 2019.
     
  7. IsNormal

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    to be fair he's also got
    4 wins in 5 Bellator fights (80%)

    I agree with your post though. And personally I think that 80% over just 5 fights isn't that much to brag about, personally I kinda think a 75% win rate over 12 fights is a .

    It's kinda weird to use Moose as an example of the UFC being vastly superior. You could use him to prove the opposite.

    In Bellator, Gegard struggled with uninmpressive fighters like Schlemenko and Carvalho.

    Yet he was still top5 or at least top7 in the UFC, beating the guy who was UFC champion just two years prior (Weidman) and the guy who would later put on one of the biggest threats to Jon Jones and one of the few to come close to stealing the LHW belt (Thiago Santos).

    So what does that say about the UFC being supposedly miles ahead.
     
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  8. WHITE ANDERSON

    WHITE ANDERSON Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    ben askren came to UFC too late

    prime ben askren tools GSP easy
     
  9. mkt

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    Shields came to the UFC on a 12-fight win streak. Then he went 4-3 (and one NC) when he came to the UFC. But I know, "UFC competition isn't better than anywhere else, breh."

    You math and reasoning abilities didn't expire...they never existed.
     
  10. mkt

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    I'm not defensive...check out the hysterical guys at Worldwide if you want to see "defensive." I'm simply saying that practically every non-UFC champ has come with all sorts of hype and many of them found out that the competition level was vey different in the UFC after all. I'm sure Lima would find out the same thing. I mean seriously...a guy who got LnP'd by Askren and post-prime Rory (first fight) is going to KO Usman?
     
  11. mkt

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    Yep, the same prime Askren who barely beat Jay Hieron (whom GSP easily finished) would "tool" GSP...a guy who beat like 6 or 7 D1 wrestlers.
     
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    Silva was never a UFC champ (got destroyed twice by Cain) but he's now about 10 years past his prime and in late-stage CTE. I guess Fedor losing in Bellator means no Pride champ was ever good either? I hope you were trolling, because that was probably the stupidest post in this thread yet...and that's saying a lot.
     
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    These guys are very good but they'd all be the ranked guys in ACA.

    I guess an average UFC middle of the pack lightweight is someone like Olivier Aubin Mercier, I feel confident that he's top ten at least in any other org.
     
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    Wow a fighter who in his 9th pro fight had trouble with a guy in a fight he won. So embarrassing. Khabib had trouble with Tibau and look where he's at now.
     
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  15. TallGHunter

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    I'd suggest Velcro over laces, keep things workable for you
     
  16. Okajima

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    0/10.
     
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  17. jeskola

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    I am sorry that Japanese MMA failed. Go back to pretending Sumo Wrestling is interesting.
     
  18. Redfish

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    Ben Askren has become more powerful than you could ever have imagined.

    Vuuuum, vuum , vuuuuum,!!! ksssh!!! Ksssssssssh, kssh!
     
  19. snugglecakes

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    But but but... hip problems but but but but... the jobby lawler win but but but jobber lawler was champ but but but but out of his prime but but but but ... would have been ufc champ for years if he came during his prime but but but but
     
  20. Okajima

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    Another train wreck of a post.
     

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