Ben Askren the latest example of minor-league hype not translating to the Major League of MMA.

how can the UFC be the cream of the crop when they don't allow full on steroid use? like it or not steroids play a huge factor on winning and losing.

bring the guys from OneFC to fight UFC guys and allow the OneFC guys to use steroids and let the UFC guys get USADA tested and we'll see how good UFC's competition is.

i agree the majority of the talent is in the UFC but not ALL the talent.
 
Speaking of getting KOd in the first round by journeymen...


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Meanwhile Larkin got creamed by Lima and Mousasi just lost to Lovato, but ok, keep living in a dream world that UFC fighters are on a different level than what's happening worldwide.

He's talking about the ENTIRE promotion. You just cherry-picked a couple of champions. Put the roster of UFC fighters up against ANY OTHER PROMOTION and the UFC has a way HIGHER median skill and talent level.
 
Meanwhile Larkin got creamed by Lima and Mousasi just lost to Lovato, but ok, keep living in a dream world that UFC fighters are on a different level than what's happening worldwide.
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People bought into the ass cream hype,if he cant get you down to employ the smothering blanky gameplan,he wont win.Fact.
 
Askren was literally retired before he got traded to UFC

lets not act like he was in his prime LOL

hes getting a fucking hip replacement, hes old
This is true, and it’s also true that Maia is a bad matchup for Ben, but honestly, I really couldn’t see him taking anyone in the top 5 of the WW division. His striking is just so poor. How does a fight go other than him getting smashed, then getting a takedown, other guy gets up and then smashes bens face in to a decision or a tko.
 
This is true, and it’s also true that Maia is a bad matchup for Ben, but honestly, I really couldn’t see him taking anyone in the top 5 of the WW division. His striking is just so poor. How does a fight go other than him getting smashed, then getting a takedown, other guy gets up and then smashes bens face in to a decision or a tko.
Actually, to quote Ben on the topic, when asked about his legacy he replied, it doesn’t really matter. One side is gonna say, Ben wasn’t signed until he was 35. He was too old. The other side is gonna say he always sucked. And the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Agreed
 
I disagree. Obviously things didn't go as planned, but I think he could have had a great run, however age and injuries catch up to you.
 
Meanwhile Askren, Will Brooks, Hector Lombard, Jake Shields and a bunch of others came to the UFC with huge win streaks (double-digit in all cases except Brooks) and many expected them to win titles...but they all flopped. Let Lima come over and fight Usman, Colby or Masvidal and we'll talk...he's been fighting UFC leftovers so far. Rory was outstruck and beaten by Lawler (twice), Wonderboy and Condit before he left the UFC....Mousasi has been in practically every major org and is hardly a pure UFC fighter (he was another UFC flop for the most part)....and Larkin never even came close to a title shot.

Try another cherry-picked example...that one was terrible.

You seem very defensive over this. Look, no one is saying Bellator > UFC. I think the message people are trying to convey is that other organizations have very good fighters.
 
The UFC is the Major League of MMA. It is time to face the facts - the era of Pride, Dream, Rizin, Strikeforce, WEC, Affliction, Elite XC, Bellator, etc trying to supplant UFC as the #1 Major League of MMA is over. UFC is where it is at - these other organizations, and future ones to come, will forever and always be minor league developmental orgs, or places for has-beens to make a few bucks on the way to retirement, with the rare exception of legit current talent leaving UFC for a huge contract elsewhere.

Sure, some fighters that enjoyed success outside the UFC can come in and do OK, like Justin Gaethje. But for every one of him, there are 3 like Ben Askren, Ill Will Brooks, and Marcin Held.
He's 35 years old. He was past his prime. doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
 
If only UFC posterboys like BJ Penn and Chuck Liddell annihilated that lesser competition when they were given a chance to fight outside the UFC in their prime.

Fact is UFC is nothing more than a promotion that takes a chance on fighters. Take Anderson Silva the UFC MW champion who got submitted by Ryo Chonan before he was fighting the supposed best fighters in the world. Or Sage Norcut, he was doing great until he too fought that lesser competition outside of the UFC.

Just because an organization has better marketing and a business model doesn't mean they also have a monopoly on the talent.
 
He's talking about the ENTIRE promotion. You just cherry-picked a couple of champions. Put the roster of UFC fighters up against ANY OTHER PROMOTION and the UFC has a way HIGHER median skill and talent level.
Uhh... I'll give you that the top 5% in the UFC is better than any other promotion.

But median? No way.

The median fighter in PFL, ACA, and ONE is easily on par to UFC.
 
I thought Tim Sylvia losing to Fedor in seconds was the ultimate proof UFC sucks dick??? Also, Masvidal doesn't count as a UFC fighter since he was fighting for other orgs including Kimbo. Bigfoot Silva is also getting his shit pushed in outside the UFC. UFCs a joke.
 
The UFC is the Major League of MMA. It is time to face the facts - the era of Pride, Dream, Rizin, Strikeforce, WEC, Affliction, Elite XC, Bellator, etc trying to supplant UFC as the #1 Major League of MMA is over. UFC is where it is at - these other organizations, and future ones to come, will forever and always be minor league developmental orgs, or places for has-beens to make a few bucks on the way to retirement, with the rare exception of legit current talent leaving UFC for a huge contract elsewhere.

Sure, some fighters that enjoyed success outside the UFC can come in and do OK, like Justin Gaethje. But for every one of him, there are 3 like Ben Askren, Ill Will Brooks, and Marcin Held.
I take it you just started watching MMA.
You do realize there are alot of fighters who came from the "minor leagues" that are successful. Askren coming from the "minor leagues" has nothing to do with his downfall. Askren not wanting to change up his fighting style and remaining one dimensional was the problem.
 
Not sure if trolling.

PFL:
Rashid Magomedov went 5-1 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 3-1-3 record in PFL
Jared Rosholt went 6-2 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 6-4 record in WSOF/PFL


In ACA, let's look at some of their non champions:

Khusein Khaliev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Khusein-Khaliev-76079
Azam Gafurov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Azam-Gafurov-198511
Salman Zhamaldaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/36529-salman-dzhamaldaev
Abdul Rakhman Dudaev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulRakhman-Dudaev-161789
Yusuf Raisov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Yusuf-Raisov-161785
Magomedrasul Khasbulaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/13532-magomedrasul-khasbulaev
Mukhamad Berkhamov https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Mukhamed-Berkhamov-137121
AAA: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulAziz-Abdulvakhabov-85495
Shabliy: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alexandr-Shabliy-72353
Vartanyan: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Eduard-Vartanyan-89087

All of those guys from ACA would have success in the UFC. As have Petr Yan and Zabit Magomedsharipov. You have no idea what you're talking about if you think the median fighter in the UFC is better than these guys.
 
Not sure if trolling.

PFL:
Rashid Magomedov went 5-1 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 3-1-3 record in PFL
Jared Rosholt went 6-2 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 6-4 record in WSOF/PFL


In ACA, let's look at some of their non champions:

Khusein Khaliev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Khusein-Khaliev-76079
Azam Gafurov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Azam-Gafurov-198511
Salman Zhamaldaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/36529-salman-dzhamaldaev
Abdul Rakhman Dudaev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulRakhman-Dudaev-161789
Yusuf Raisov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Yusuf-Raisov-161785
Magomedrasul Khasbulaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/13532-magomedrasul-khasbulaev
Mukhamad Berkhamov https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Mukhamed-Berkhamov-137121
AAA: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulAziz-Abdulvakhabov-85495
Shabliy: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alexandr-Shabliy-72353
Vartanyan: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Eduard-Vartanyan-89087

All of those guys from ACA would have success in the UFC. As have Petr Yan and Zabit Magomedsharipov. You have no idea what you're talking about if you think the median fighter in the UFC is better than these guys.

all opinion
 
When Pride & UFC merged, guys like Hendo, Rampage, Big Nog, etc did much better than their UFC peers like Matt Hughes, Tim Sylvia, and Chuck Liddell.

When WEC & UFC merged, guys like Bendo, Pettis and Cowboy did better than their UFC peers (Penn, Jim Miller, Gray Maynard).

Furthermore, many guys have moved from UFC to smaller orgs and didn't dominate. TS completely ignored this data point.

UFC is obviously the king of the UFC hill. Some guys move over and succeed. Others don't. I don't see why people need to turn this into a "pick a side" thing.


Good post but c'mon... Penn isn't from the same generation of fighters as Bendo and Pettis.
 
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