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Ben Askren the latest example of minor-league hype not translating to the Major League of MMA.

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by jeskola, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. Pancake Sprawl

    Pancake Sprawl WAR IGOR!!!11

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    how can the UFC be the cream of the crop when they don't allow full on steroid use? like it or not steroids play a huge factor on winning and losing.

    bring the guys from OneFC to fight UFC guys and allow the OneFC guys to use steroids and let the UFC guys get USADA tested and we'll see how good UFC's competition is.

    i agree the majority of the talent is in the UFC but not ALL the talent.
     
  2. Katsumi Yamada

    Katsumi Yamada Gold Belt

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    Speaking of getting KOd in the first round by journeymen...


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  3. Fergelmince

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    He's talking about the ENTIRE promotion. You just cherry-picked a couple of champions. Put the roster of UFC fighters up against ANY OTHER PROMOTION and the UFC has a way HIGHER median skill and talent level.
     
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    Thread detailed with the first post
     
  5. Shaquitas EBT

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    People bought into the ass cream hype,if he cant get you down to employ the smothering blanky gameplan,he wont win.Fact.
     
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    Aaaay1hotsauce Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    This is true, and it’s also true that Maia is a bad matchup for Ben, but honestly, I really couldn’t see him taking anyone in the top 5 of the WW division. His striking is just so poor. How does a fight go other than him getting smashed, then getting a takedown, other guy gets up and then smashes bens face in to a decision or a tko.
     
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    Actually, to quote Ben on the topic, when asked about his legacy he replied, it doesn’t really matter. One side is gonna say, Ben wasn’t signed until he was 35. He was too old. The other side is gonna say he always sucked. And the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

    Agreed
     
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    I disagree. Obviously things didn't go as planned, but I think he could have had a great run, however age and injuries catch up to you.
     
  9. george14

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    You seem very defensive over this. Look, no one is saying Bellator > UFC. I think the message people are trying to convey is that other organizations have very good fighters.
     
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    Pride wasent around 10 years ago. I guess thats the joke
     
  11. Vikassi

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    He's 35 years old. He was past his prime. doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
     
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    If only UFC posterboys like BJ Penn and Chuck Liddell annihilated that lesser competition when they were given a chance to fight outside the UFC in their prime.

    Fact is UFC is nothing more than a promotion that takes a chance on fighters. Take Anderson Silva the UFC MW champion who got submitted by Ryo Chonan before he was fighting the supposed best fighters in the world. Or Sage Norcut, he was doing great until he too fought that lesser competition outside of the UFC.

    Just because an organization has better marketing and a business model doesn't mean they also have a monopoly on the talent.
     
  13. EndlessCritic

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    Uhh... I'll give you that the top 5% in the UFC is better than any other promotion.

    But median? No way.

    The median fighter in PFL, ACA, and ONE is easily on par to UFC.
     
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    I thought Tim Sylvia losing to Fedor in seconds was the ultimate proof UFC sucks dick??? Also, Masvidal doesn't count as a UFC fighter since he was fighting for other orgs including Kimbo. Bigfoot Silva is also getting his shit pushed in outside the UFC. UFCs a joke.
     
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    What do you expect? Bellator is fucking trash.
     
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    I take it you just started watching MMA.
    You do realize there are alot of fighters who came from the "minor leagues" that are successful. Askren coming from the "minor leagues" has nothing to do with his downfall. Askren not wanting to change up his fighting style and remaining one dimensional was the problem.
     
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  18. EndlessCritic

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    Not sure if trolling.

    PFL:
    Rashid Magomedov went 5-1 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 3-1-3 record in PFL
    Jared Rosholt went 6-2 in the UFC, and is currently sporting a 6-4 record in WSOF/PFL


    In ACA, let's look at some of their non champions:

    Khusein Khaliev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Khusein-Khaliev-76079
    Azam Gafurov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Azam-Gafurov-198511
    Salman Zhamaldaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/36529-salman-dzhamaldaev
    Abdul Rakhman Dudaev: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulRakhman-Dudaev-161789
    Yusuf Raisov: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Yusuf-Raisov-161785
    Magomedrasul Khasbulaev: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/13532-magomedrasul-khasbulaev
    Mukhamad Berkhamov https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Mukhamed-Berkhamov-137121
    AAA: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/AbdulAziz-Abdulvakhabov-85495
    Shabliy: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alexandr-Shabliy-72353
    Vartanyan: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Eduard-Vartanyan-89087

    All of those guys from ACA would have success in the UFC. As have Petr Yan and Zabit Magomedsharipov. You have no idea what you're talking about if you think the median fighter in the UFC is better than these guys.
     
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  19. Fergelmince

    Fergelmince Black Belt

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    all opinion
     
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    Good post but c'mon... Penn isn't from the same generation of fighters as Bendo and Pettis.
     

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