Ben Askren "I can't stand when a wrestler gets a takedown"

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Wrestler160, Sep 8, 2010.

  1. Wrestler160

    Wrestler160 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2007
    Messages:
    1,543
    Likes Received:
    457
    Location:
    LA County
  2. B3ntleg

    B3ntleg Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Messages:
    559
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Nottingham
    I love watching good active wrestling with decent GnP or transitions. But I fail to see how you can win on points by proving your abilty to pin somebody. Its not a freestyle wrestling match is meant to be a fight.

    Oh but I don't think Maynard is that bad for stalling I just don't think he's capable of finshing a decent fighter.
     
  3. knoxpk

    knoxpk Black Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    6,853
    Likes Received:
    15
    Location:
    tampa,fl
    He's right. Guys have to be more active, either pass, submit or strike. Just holding them sucks, especially when the guy on bottom is just waiting too. Makes for a very boring fight.
     
  4. fourfif**

    fourfif** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    7,840
    Likes Received:
    6
    everyone does....
     
  5. The K1000

    The K1000 Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2010
    Messages:
    360
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Dallas, Tx
    It's Ultimate Fighting not ultimate Positioning.....but wait it's position over submission....I'm so confused.
     
  6. fourfif**

    fourfif** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2008
    Messages:
    7,840
    Likes Received:
    6
    after his florian fight he basically admitted he didn't really engage and just waited to get a takedown for points as the clock ran out each round.
     
  7. Kenny from MD

    Kenny from MD Less angry than before.

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Messages:
    2,794
    Likes Received:
    567
    Location:
    Maryland
    Everyones answer seems to be penalize wrestlers for inactivity, but in many cases that is completely subjective. For as much shit that Fitch is given for "lay and pray" when does he ever stop trying to advance? For example in the Alves fight, he was criticized for "just holding Alves down." What is he supposed to do with Alves tried to get up? Let him? Why wasn
     
  8. skey91***

    skey91*** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    3,194
    Likes Received:
    3
    He came a lot closer to finishing Huerta than Florian did. And why wasn't Kenny attacking being down 2 rounds?

    If you look at the guys Maynard has fought who has finished them?

    Jim Miller, Nate Diaz, Florian, Edgar, Huerta.

    This guy was thrown in with quality opponents right away.
     
  9. Strykerx

    Strykerx Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2006
    Messages:
    1,248
    Likes Received:
    6
    I blame the guy on the bottom. It is your job as a fighter to escape the bottom, change the fight, punish your opponent, have an active guard, work on your takedown defense and/or win! Lay and pray is pathetic but at the end of the day it's the losers fault for not being able to change the outcome of the fight.
     
  10. Mat Nemesis**

    Mat Nemesis** Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,259
    Likes Received:
    1
    its mma. everyone is training striking. everyone is training bjj/nogi.

    how many are training wrestling seriously? GSP

    mma guys need to train wrestling at least 3 times a week.
     
  11. YeahBee

    YeahBee Samdog Original Nine

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2006
    Messages:
    24,942
    Likes Received:
    12
    Location:
    Land of the Ice and Snow
     
  12. MUFC

    MUFC Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2007
    Messages:
    2,719
    Likes Received:
    6
    I agree with Kenny.
     
  13. skey91***

    skey91*** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    3,194
    Likes Received:
    3
    I just don't understand why more guys don't give up thier back.

    I understand in BJJ that is huge no-no and much more dangerous with the gi, but if you are loosing the the fight why not take the chance.

    Edgar gives up his back, looks for wrist control and explodes, He even did it against BJ.

    I think if you took away standups you would see more risks to get up leading to more scrambles and more exciting fights and ground exchanges.
     
  14. YeahBee

    YeahBee Samdog Original Nine

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2006
    Messages:
    24,942
    Likes Received:
    12
    Location:
    Land of the Ice and Snow
    he did a frekkin situp, balancing ontop of a guy, a guy who is one of the best BJJ in the world (arguable nowadays I guess) who had his back!

    bloody marvellous
     
  15. skey91***

    skey91*** Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    3,194
    Likes Received:
    3
    Yes it was.

    I have a name for that move DETERMINATION! That kid was not going to be held down.
     
  16. dazed863

    dazed863 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2010
    Messages:
    504
    Likes Received:
    2
    you gotta hate this. i think they should revamp the score system..

    i mean getting the takedown is great and all but more and more you see fighters playing the system and using them to just score points.

    i wouldn't be upset if they scored strikes from a top position more heavily than if your on your feet and did away with takedown points all together. it would benefit the stronger wrestler who has good ground and pound and also benefit the better grappler who isn't afraid to fight off of his back. it would also produce more exciting matches both on the ground and standup and you wouldnt see as much stalling...
     
  17. fiftysvn

    fiftysvn Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2008
    Messages:
    1,745
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Brooklyn, NY
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2010
  18. Graunie

    Graunie Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2007
    Messages:
    663
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  19. BJJsb

    BJJsb White Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2010
    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ben Askren just came to my gym for a seminar... it was awesome.
     
  20. Il Wop-O

    Il Wop-O Green Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2006
    Messages:
    1,051
    Likes Received:
    20
    Location:
    SFC MMA, Springfield, MO
    Yup, I had my penis tatooed with "Made From Reardon Steel".



    Just kidding. It only says "Made from Rea

    I ran out of room.:icon_cry2

    But seriously, do you notice how the (at the time) absurdly exagerrated political speech by the "looters and moochers" is now almost spoken verbatim by politicians and media?

    Ayn saw it coming.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.