Belgium terrorist attacks thread, Part 2: Suicide bombers may also have targeted nuclear plants

[IDL]

Lol...the mayor of Brussels is so outraged in that clip. Outraged that some Belgians dares speak out against terrorism and ISIS? Oh my.

"They carried anti-ISIS and anti-terror signs and chanted as they made their way to the Brussels Stock Exchange, where they were met with police in riot gear."

Only in Yurop are anti-ISIS and anti-terror protests considered signs of fascism and racism and leads the mayor to question why another mayor didn't take away their rights and prevent them from travelling within their own country. Lol.

The leadership is busy trying to dissolve the European nation states into a blob of goo, and mass migrations help to achieve that goal.

Those who would resist anything to do with that process are the enemies of the state. ISIS is less of a threat than people resisting this process from a political standpoint.

It's a completely inverted model of governance.

 

[Factory]

1) the European model of integration doesn't work. Melting pot> multiculturalism based on the European model. Europe fucked themselves. A poster here pointed to a big problem in the disenfranchisement in his country based on the creation of ghettos with no job opportunities. It was a much longer post but I'll hunt for it when I'm not at the bar.

2) I believe in accepting mostly women and children. The problem is men in their twenties will want to flee for better opportunity. What options are left in Syria? Who do you join to fight?

3) yes economic migrants are a huge issue, luckily we tend to have pretty stringent screenings, don't deny everyone seeking asylum or looking to emigrate based on religion is what I'm saying.

4) Muslims are hard to integrate in countries like Europe that have unrealistic integration goals and took in more immigrants than realistically sustainable.

5) I'm glad you bring up Africa as I try to bring it to light as much as I can. As a chef I've worked with immigrants from all over the world including many African immigrants fleeing violence. A lot of Africans are generally the most gleeful and happy people I've ever met. I suppose when life is cheap you tend to enjoy moments.

I've worked with French African Christians and Muslims. All were incredibly grateful and respectful. I understand and absolutely agree in proper screening but xenophobia should not trump the fundamental greatness of this nation of immigrants.

Yeah, I heard it. Especially a lot of Americans think that Europe is fault, because they did a bad work regarding integration. This is only partly correct. Look, it´s easy for American people to say stuff like that. They are far away from the middle east and while they have much experience with integration, they don´t have any experience with masses-muslim integration in total. (I assume you are from the US, if not sorry.)

The European model of integration is not perfect but quite successful in many many countries overall. People from China, Poland, Russia etc. are successfully integrated in Germany.
I can only speak as a German and from my experience. It´s curious, because it works for all nations, except the middle east. For me, the reason for that is clear. Germany is spending Million of Dollars in integration programs, especially regarding Muslim integration.

I really don´t try to be xenophobic, but it can´t be denied, that Muslims are the worst integrated group in my country by far, although they receive way more support (language programs, internships, cultural exchange programs etc.) than people from other countries like for example Poland. I mean no one cares about polish people, but they are still better integrated.

The most important thing about immigration is the will of the foreign people. They are the ones who need to adapt and not backwards.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Well either they were completely jumped the gun on this suspect, which actually wouldn't surprise me as there is such a rush to get someone in custody so the public feels safe and feels more confident about the system. Or perhaps they released him hoping to track his every move to lead to more information or suspects?

I think you're giving Belgian police too much credit

 

[skombolis]

I think you're giving Belgian police too much credit

Well they didn't exonerate him, they said they don't have enough to hold him. Seems like a given they will be watching him now.

Yet you think it's not even possible a factor in releasing him may have been it might lead to something more than just holding him on a case they can't make?

They may have released him for no other reason than they don't have enough to hold him. But I am not following why you think there is no way it may have been partly a strategic decision to improve their chances of learning something.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Well they didn't exonerate him, they said they don't have enough to hold him. Seems like a given they will be watching him now.

So you think it's not even possible a factor in releasing him may have been it might lead to something more than just holding him on a case they can't make?

Belgian police are incompetent to the point of absurdity. They make British police look good, and that's saying something.

I've no doubt they will try to keep tabs on this guy, but I wouldn't bet my money on them being successful.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Yeah, I heard it. Especially a lot of Americans think that Europe is fault, because they did a bad work regarding integration. This is only partly correct. Look, it´s easy for American people to say stuff like that. They are far away from the middle east and while they have much experience with integration, they don´t have any experience with masses-muslim integration in total. (I assume you are from the US, if not sorry.)

The European model of integration is not perfect but quite successful in many many countries overall. People from China, Poland, Russia etc. are successfully integrated in Germany.
I can only speak as a German and from my experience. It´s curious, because it works for all nations, except the middle east. For me, the reason for that is clear. Germany is spending Million of Dollars in integration programs, especially regarding Muslim integration.

I really don´t try to be xenophobic, but it can´t be denied, that Muslims are the worst integrated group in my country by far, although they receive way more support (language programs, internships, cultural exchange programs etc.) than people from other countries like for example Poland. I mean no one cares about polish people, but they are still better integrated.

The most important thing about immigration is the will of the foreign people. They are the ones who need to adapt and not backwards.

Thanks for your response and I realize you have a very different set of circumstances than we do, these people attacking my position assume I'm looking for a European style integration which is absurd. I'm sorry for what your people are going through. It must be hard. You've basically let a lazy good for nothing cousin come stay at your house.

The integration issue is a problem from my American point of view. I can't believe your politicians didn't see this coming. Germany is an incredible nation and I envy many things about your country but this has been a huge failure.

do you find that because of the crimes of your nation sixty years ago have caused the German people to be hesitant towards adopting realistic policies concerning this crisis?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Wow.... I bet his ancestors didn´t spill so much blood around the world and, probably, were asking (not demanding) for help. And I am sure they didn´t find an army of SJW fighteing for their "rights", neither. So I don´t see the similarities

Dude my Irish ancestors caused hell for countless people. and my family had ties to the Ra for many many years. Irish Americans were the biggest contributors to the IRA.

Mexican Americans contribute vastly to the cartels down south.

Italian Americans contributed greatly to the Sicilian mafia.

Russian and Armenian Americans as well, people at those times were trying to stop the immigrations of those people and it draws many parallels to this current situation. Down to the religion. Irish, Mexican, and Italian immigrants were demonized for Catholicism, the KKK used it as a reason to hate them.

We have many Muslims here in the US and many of them have integrated properly and been a great resource for my great nation.

 

[IDL]

James Corbett talks about the Bureaucratic reaction to Brussles, and the drive for more power consolidation in the form of an EU FBI and intelligence agency merging.

 

[IDL]

Shots fired..


Jordan's king accuses Turkey of sending terrorists to Europe

Abdullah tells US politicians that radicals are being 'manufactured in Turkey... as part of Turkish policy'

King Abdullah of Jordan accused Turkey of exporting terrorists to Europe at a top level meeting with senior US politicians in January, the MEE can reveal.

The king said Europe’s biggest refugee crisis was not an accident, and neither was the presence of terrorists among them: “The fact that terrorists are going to Europe is part of Turkish policy and Turkey keeps on getting a slap on the hand, but they are let off the hook.”

Asked by one of the congressmen present whether the Islamic State group was exporting oil to Turkey, Abdullah replied: ”Absolutely.”

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/jordans-king-accuses-turkey-sending-terrorists-europe-1687591648

 

[JDragon]

More evidence has come to light that the Brussels IS network has at least considered targeting nuclear facilities. German media are reporting that in Salah Abdeslam's place, police found plans of the German nuclear research facility Jülich. Also, a photo of the facility's head was found.

 

[unimackpass]

Everything you say is correct. Also, there are terrorists who are ethnic Europeans and converted to Islam.

At the same time, if you make it a matter of likelihood: It is quite obvious that a higher Muslim percentage increases the likelihood of terrorism. Muslim refugees further increase the ratio down the road. Stating that closing the borders does not solve any current problem with regard to terrorism is true, but not closing them may make things even worse years from now.

Their is so much common sense here why would someone even have to say it? Sign of times I guess and how we got here.

 

[in the]

Brussels Terror Scare: Mall Evacuated in Fear of Islamic Terrorism

Terror suspect with salt & cookie-filled vest arrested in Brussels

 

[superpunch]

I really don´t try to be xenophobic, but it can´t be denied, that Muslims are the worst integrated group in my country by far, although they receive way more support (language programs, internships, cultural exchange programs etc.) than people from other countries like for example Poland. I mean no one cares about polish people, but they are still better integrated.

It's really interesting the things that people in different countries have their thoughts restricted by. In China, someone might be brainwashed to experience negative emotions when thinking any thoughts about capitalism, for example. In North Korea, someone might preface an argument against totalitarianism with "Although I really love dear leader.." Apparently, in Germany, you have your thought process stunted for 'xenophobia'.

Feeling the need to apologize for completely normal and rational thoughts is ridiculous.

I kind of understand it though. Couldn't you be legally prosecuted for saying anything that could construed as xenophobic over in Germany?

Those kinds of laws have effects on your thought process. If you're afraid to say something, your brain will naturally adapt to not think anything that would cause you to say that. It's a kind of brainwashing. In the US, the stuff that Edward Snowden exposed about our spy agencies monitoring all of our electronic communications causes a similar effect.