Behold - The only Olympics medal table that really counts: PER CAPITA

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wlu29 said:
Muslim influx?
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Asians.
 
Selukrid612 said:
I just had a look at NZ's 7 medals BTW and your lone gold is in rowing, which is super lame and shouldn't even count. 3 of your 7 medals are in rowing or canoe. Take that shit to the special Olympics IMO.
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Only filthy peasants trot around, racing hither and thither on foot, as if they still lived in caves and/or the desert wastes.

The true elite prove their superiority while seated, or at least while getting about in some manner of contraption, like civilized, and technologically articulate gods.

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IndyCovaHart said:
Population size being held against you in the Olympics ...
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... is what would happen if ratio of medals to population size was NOT taken into account.

I mean, what kind of goofus would think it was meaningful in any way to penalize Denmark or Jamaica for not having a great heaving mass of people to select from?
 
Rum said:
Holy shit dude, chill. For someone from such a "great" nation you act like you have small man's syndrome.

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He just wrecked your whole argument, no one gives a fuck about your goat fucking republic.
 
ShayosInvisble said:
He just wrecked your whole argument, no one gives a fuck about your goat fucking republic.
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It's a sheep-fucking republic you clueless, sheltered buffoon.

Your credibility is down the drain.
 
Rum said:
Only filthy peasants trot around, racing hither and thither on foot, as if they still lived in caves and/or the desert wastes.

The true elite prove their superiority while seated, or at least while getting about in some manner of contraption, like civilized, and technologically articulate gods.
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Someone from South Auckland shouldn't be calling people peasants lad

ShayosInvisble said:
He just wrecked your whole argument, no one gives a fuck about your goat fucking republic.
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Can't even get the animal right. What a waste of skin.
 
Rum said:
It's a sheep-fucking republic you clueless, sheltered buffoon.

Your credibility is down the drain.
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Damn, you are right :oops: Haha, I am truly ashamed at my ignorance (Honestly). Ive been wrecked, fucking kiwi's and their wit...
 
Avarice said:
Someone from South Auckland shouldn't be calling people peasants lad.
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A fair comment, although my little bro used to get a ride to school with Scott Dixon, proving even some of us low-decile South Auckland bruisers know our way around a contraption.

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Proportionally measured by population they crush the US, along with any other nation (leaving aside a tiny nation or two that get a big proportional jump with an outlier medal or two from one or two individual athletes).

Full disclosure: I'm a Canadian with little brother complex who always measures Olympic success against the US. If we win a tenth of the golds, and a tenth of the medals, then I feel like we're doing alright because we have only a tenth of the population. But, dammit, the Brits have only double our population and only a fifth of the US population, and proportionally they're outperforming Canada and the US by a rate of 3 to 1.
 
Madmick said:
No, per capita is terrible in the Olympics. Just look at gymnastics. We had the #1, #2, #3, and #4 best overall female gymnasts. But we could only send two. It's the same way in swimming. We could sweep medal podiums with the relays or individual events if given three. They limit the entrants of larger nations for a more timely competition.

For example, everyone bitches about swimming, but there isn't some huge global qualifying tournament where we are allow unlimited participants and teams. 2/3 of the basketball teams would be ours if that was the case.

Due to sample size it also skews heavily due to the reality that some nations spend all their energy and expertise in sports that are a national pride (and often tend to be the more obscure sports on a global scale). Examples:
  • Fiji --> Rugby
  • Hungary --> Fencing
  • Finland --> Javelin Throw
  • South Korea --> Archery (or Short Track Skating in the Winter)
  • Ethiopia --> Long Distance running
  • Kazakhstan --> Boxing, Wrestling, Weightlifting (<-- dirty as shit, shouldn't even be competing)
  • Denmark --> Sailing, Rowing
That's just a taste. There's a reason only two of the top 16 nations there have a population size greater than 10 million. That's like a fourth the size of my state. Yawn.

A proper comparison would add some sort of Bayesian weighting to this while also factoring in the restrictive coefficient of limiting participants, and an additional bonus coefficient for medaling in a wider array of sport.


Oh yeah, and...undefeated world champions of Football. Superbowls = 49 - 0. Not that peasants care about the master race sport.
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Well... but total medals doesn't do it either. Basically, the really small nations result in a lot of outliers for all the reasons you mentioned.

But if you remove those, and then remove the Silver and Bronze for the reasons you mentioned (limitations on how many people you can send, etc), you get a much better vision of what's going on.

Doing that, with a 10 million population cut off gives you this for your top 20:

1. Netherlands
2. Great Britain
3. Australia
4. Greece
5. Cuba
5. Germany
7. Belgium
8. Kazakhstan
9. South Korea
10. France
11. Italy
12. Spain
13. The US
14. Canada
15. Kenya
16. Czech Republic
17. Japan
18. Russia
19. North Korea
20. Argentina

Increase the cut off to 30 million and your top 20 looks like this:

1. Great Brittain
2. Germany
3. South Korea
4. France
5. Italy
6. Spain
7. The US
8. Canada
9. Kenya
10. Japan
11. Russia
12. Argentina
13. Uzbekistan
14. Colombia
15. Poland
16. Ukraine
17. Iran
18. Thailand
19. Brazil
20. South Africa

Increase the cut off to 60 million and it looks like this:

1. Great Britain
2. Germany
3. France
4. Italy
5. The US
6. Japan
7. Russia
9. Iran
10. Thailand
11. Brazil
12. China
13. Vietnam
14. Ethiopia
15. Indonesia

You need to increase the cutoff to 82 million (Germany's pop is 81 million) to get the US to number 1:

1. The US
2. Japan
3. Russia
4. Brazil
5. China
6. Vietnam
7. Ethiopia
8. Indonesia

So, yes, the US is top of the heap in the nations that are closer in population to them... but there are dozens of other reasons why the US should wreck all of these countries in Olympic sport.

Put up against countries that the US should be expected to compete with based on socio-economic considerations, you are doing fine, but you aren't the top of the heap.

In fact, if we put the US head to head against the EU, the EU has a substantial lead both in raw numbers and per capita.

Prorated for population the EU (including Britain) has 1.6 Golds for every Gold won by the US.

Taking Britain out of the equation, the EU has 1.25 Golds for every Gold won by the US.

Any way you slice it, Britain is kicking ass among nations with a comparable socio-economic make-up, history, climate, et cetera, and the US is holding its own, but is basically an average player in comparison with its true pears.
 
jeremyemilio said:
Well... but total medals doesn't do it either. Basically, the really small nations result in a lot of outliers for all the reasons you mentioned.

But if you remove those, and then remove the Silver and Bronze for the reasons you mentioned (limitations on how many people you can send, etc), you get a much better vision of what's going on.

Doing that, with a 10 million population cut off gives you this for your top 20:

1. Netherlands
2. Great Britain
3. Australia
4. Greece
5. Cuba
5. Germany
7. Belgium
8. Kazakhstan
9. South Korea
10. France
11. Italy
12. Spain
13. The US
14. Canada
15. Kenya
16. Czech Republic
17. Japan
18. Russia
19. North Korea
20. Argentina

Increase the cut off to 30 million and your top 20 looks like this:

1. Great Brittain
2. Germany
3. South Korea
4. France
5. Italy
6. Spain
7. The US
8. Canada
9. Kenya
10. Japan
11. Russia
12. Argentina
13. Uzbekistan
14. Colombia
15. Poland
16. Ukraine
17. Iran
18. Thailand
19. Brazil
20. South Africa

Increase the cut off to 60 million and it looks like this:

1. Great Britain
2. Germany
3. France
4. Italy
5. The US
6. Japan
7. Russia
9. Iran
10. Thailand
11. Brazil
12. China
13. Vietnam
14. Ethiopia
15. Indonesia

You need to increase the cutoff to 82 million (Germany's pop is 81 million) to get the US to number 1:

1. The US
2. Japan
3. Russia
4. Brazil
5. China
6. Vietnam
7. Ethiopia
8. Indonesia

So, yes, the US is top of the heap in the nations that are closer in population to them... but there are dozens of other reasons why the US should wreck all of these countries in Olympic sport.

Put up against countries that the US should be expected to compete with based on socio-economic considerations, you are doing fine, but you aren't the top of the heap.

In fact, if we put the US head to head against the EU, the EU has a substantial lead both in raw numbers and per capita.

Prorated for population the EU (including Britain) has 1.6 Golds for every Gold won by the US.

Taking Britain out of the equation, the EU has 1.25 Golds for every Gold won by the US.

Any way you slice it, Britain is kicking ass among nations with a comparable socio-economic make-up, history, climate, et cetera, and the US is holding its own, but is basically an average player in comparison with its true pears.
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Lmao you wrote a huge essay and completely missed that guys point.

Each country is only allowed to submit a certain number of participants to each event no matter the population.

This means even though the US could probably win all 3 medals in Basketball with 3 separate teams they aren't allowed and only get to send one team. The US has enough talent to make 3 teams as good as any other country's best team but are forced to condense to only 1.

This is why comparing population to medals is retarded. It would make sense if you were allowed to send as many competitors you wanted for each event as long as they qualify.

This hinders other countries like Russia too in wrestling because they have guys in the same weight class who are 1/2 in the world but are only allowed to send 1, when in reality if both were allowed to compete they'd probably both earn medals.

Think of it like this in terms of MMA here are the current top-10 at Light-Heavyweight.

1 - Jon Jones - USA
2 - Daniel Cormier - USA
3 - Anthony Johnson - USA
4 - Alexander Gustafson - SWE
5 - Ryan Bader - USA
6 - Ovince St. Preux - USA
7 - Shogun Rua - BRA
8 - Rashad Evans - USA
9 - Lil Nog - BRA
10 - Nikita Krylov - UKR

So if we wanted to have a mini-tournament with the four best LHW in a perfect world 3 would be from the US and one from Sweden.

But, in the Olympics only one person is allowed from each country, so even though the US has the top-3 LHW the tournament would instead be Jon Jones from US, Alexander from Sweden, Shogun from Brazil, and Krylov from Ukraine.

Thus the people winning silver and bronze, would likely lose to the US guys who didn't get an oppurtonity despite being better because of the per-country limit.

This is why comparing population to medal count makes no sense.

Of course this doesn't even get into the fact the best American athletes go into the NFL, NBA, MLB.

I mean fuck an Oregon football player who runs track in his off time almost won a medal this Olympics lmao.
 
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The main problem with per capita isn't even that you can only send so many people, it's that there's only so many medals you can win. What are there, 300 gold medals available? So a country like the UK could rack up 25 golds, many of them in sports that aren't big in the US and all of a sudden the US needs 125 gold medals in order to stay with them on the per capita standings. China could win every gold medal the UK didn't win and would still lose out to the UK.
 
Medals per capita? You could at least try not to sound poor and irrelevant.
 
poverty rears it's ugly head
 
Full respect to NZ and the smaller nations but the table doesn't really mean what you want it to mean, mini countries can get one medal and that outperforms big countries getting 10.
 
They dont have a basketball team.......end of story

Fucking debt ridden, territory of the US puerto rico has a basketball team

Cmon son
 
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