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The laptop thread, reborn.
She isnt that bad.
Not all Dems are the same.
SF Chronicle said:WASHINGTON -- Underscoring the great divide over U.S.-China policy, San Francisco's two most influential lawmakers in Washington are leading opposing sides as Congress prepares to vote today on China's trading status.
To Pelosi, it is reckless to grant full trading privileges to an oppressive state in the hope that it will translate into political freedom. "I don't believe in the concept of trickle-down liberty," she said yesterday in an interview. "Economic reform does not necessarily lead to political reform."
She also contends that China will never fully open its markets to U.S. goods unless it believes that Washington will retaliate for unfair trade practices, something she believes the United States has thus far shown little sign of doing.
The annual debate over China trade "has strengthened the administration's hand, increased its leverage" on such issues, Pelosi said. "The very fear of revocation has brought the Chinese to the negotiating table."
SF Chronicle said:CHINA -- It's not often that members of Congress find themselves running from police in foreign countries. But in September 1991, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, had slipped out of her Beijing hotel room, with reporters and a crowd of curious followers in tow, and gone without official permission to Tiananmen Square.
Along with two other members of Congress, Pelosi unwrapped a banner that read, "To those who died for democracy in China." The decidedly undiplomatic delegation was immediately surrounded by police and Chinese "tourists" who pulled walkie-talkies from their backpacks.
Anybody watching Pelosi since San Francisco voters elected her to Congress in 1987 could find dozens of deliberate anti-China incidents orchestrated by the 58-year-old mother of five. She keeps a photo from the 1991 visit, displaying it occasionally on the floor of Congress.
Pelosi has emerged as a leading critic of the Chinese regime and of her own president, who she says has a bankrupt policy toward China. More often than not, she finds herself on the outside while Bill Clinton dines on chilled lobster with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.
While fellow Bay Area resident Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein was hosting a 1997 Blair House reception for her "oldest friend in China" - Jiang - Pelosi was across the street at a protest denouncing him as a despot.
"What do they expect me to say?" Pelosi asked. "That it's not OK for a Republican president to coddle dictators, but it's OK for a Democrat?"
SF Chronicle said:WASHINGTON --The opponents Clinton mentions are not congressional Republicans, but some of his own party's leaders in Congress. Two of the strongest foes of permanent normal trade relations with China are House Democratic Minority Whip David Bonior, D-Mich., and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco. Pelosi has said she has no major problems with China's entering the World Trade Organization, where it will be subject to international rules on trade. But she opposes giving up the right of Congress to review the country's trade status with China on a yearly basis.
"We all agree that it would be better to have China inside the WTO, complying with the rules, rather than the status quo of China on the outside violating its agreements with the United States," Pelosi said. "To date, however, the Chinese government has consistently failed to honor its signed bilateral agreements on trade and its international covenants on the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and on human rights in China and Tibet. The Chinese government has no credibility and begs the question: Why should the United States grant permanent trade status on the basis of broken promises rather than proven performance?"
Nancy Pelosi said:Today, President Bush will roll out the red carpet for Chinese President Hu Jintao, a leader whose government brutally crushes freedom, democracy and the religious expression of the Chinese and Tibetan people. Hu will receive the best welcome U.S. taxpayer money can buy, including full military honors and a 21-gun salute.
This is the same regime that provides military technologies to countries that threaten international security, including Iran and North Korea. The same regime that threatens Taiwan with a military attack, detains and tortures Chinese people for expressing their political and religious beliefs and arrests Tibetans for carrying a picture of the Dalai Lama.
While open dialogue is essential, many of us on both sides of the aisle in Congress oppose the celebratory nature of this official visit.
This is not about isolationism. We must have engagement with China, but it should be sustainable engagement that enables us to maintain our values, continue our economic growth and uphold our national security.
Our growing national debt to China is a national security issue. Countries such as China that own our debt will soon not only be making our toys, our clothes and our computers, they will be making our foreign policy.
U.S. policy toward China is ineffective in upholding the pillars of our foreign policy -- promoting democratic freedom, stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and growing our economy by promoting exports abroad. Instead, we have pursued trickle-down liberty -- promoting economic freedom first, assuming that political freedom will follow. Reality exposes this policy as the illusion it is.
Bush administration officials say they hope that China will become a “responsible stakeholder.” We should avoid wishful thinking. Beijing’s priority is regime security. Economic development, along with the harsh repression of its own citizens, are the means to maintain political power. Access to the U.S. market is central to Beijing’s strategy.
American access to the massive Chinese market is also essential, but our trade relationship has been a disaster. Despite more than a decade of concessions, the trade deficit with China has grown from $4 billion a year to more than $4 billion a week. China continues to manipulate its currency, making its exports cheaper and U.S. imports more expensive than they would be in free-market conditions.
Finally, members of Congress of both parties will be watching to see if Bush kowtows to Beijing in ways that threaten our long-standing commitment to Taiwan. The American people want the administration to show resolve in standing up to Beijing, to demonstrate that we believe that the Chinese people deserve freedom. Only then will we have the moral authority to speak out for freedom in other parts of the world.
Is there a bigger CCP shill than Nancy Pelosi?
http://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Feinstein-vs-Pelosi-Over-China-Issue-S-F-2977076.php
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pelosi-on-China-A-voice-in-the-global-wilderness-3082494.php
http://www.sfgate.com/politics/amp/Clinton-pushes-hard-for-China-to-join-WTO-3066678.php
http://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-apr-20-oe-pelosi20-story.html
Dear Chinese Government, The Democrats Won't Save You
5 November 2018
If Beijing thinks that a House flip on Tuesday is good news for them in this trade war with Trump, they are in for a rude awakening. Sorry, China, the Democrats won’t save you.
Here is what Pelosi thinks about China tariffs: “The report of the USTR investigation on China’s intellectual property theft is a good first step, but far more is need to confront the full range of China’s bad behavior. Beijing’s regulatory barriers, localization requirements, labor abuses, anticompetitive ‘Made in China 2025’ policy and many other unfair trade practices require a full and comprehensive response. The tariffs announced today should be used as a leverage point to negotiate more fair and open trade for U.S. products in China.”
This from a woman whose district in the state of California has seen a marked increase in trade with China. She both knows the economic benefit of China and the impact China trade has had on blue-collar labor, as well as on the intellectual property often created in the Bay Area she represents. It’s true that governors and business representatives like doing business with China, but Washington is another animal with quite a different mindset.
The Democrats Won't End Trump's China Trade War
2 January 2019
The Democrats take over the House of Representatives this week. The bulk of their power will be used to block Trump any which way. The one roadblock they won’t set up, however, is ending Trump’s trade war with China.
For starters, new House leader Nancy Pelosi is a China skeptic. It is unclear if any of her Bay Area constituents can flip her on this (NoDak: lmao). Pelosi was a critic of China’s joining the World Trade Organization - a move pushed by President Bill Clinton - and she thinks China is a headwind for American workers. Even before the ballots were counted in the midterm races on November 6, Reuters reported that the one thing Trump and a Pelosi-led House can agree on is beating up on China.
Based on this id rather she be President then Biden. BUT Speaker of the House is powerful enough I guess to push for sanctions and stuff
"Our growing national debt to China is a national security issue. Countries such as China that own our debt will soon not only be making our toys, our clothes and our computers, they will be making our foreign policy. We have pursued trickle-down liberty -- promoting economic freedom first, assuming that political freedom will follow. Reality exposes this policy as the illusion it is.
Administration officials say they hope that China will become a “responsible stakeholder.” We should avoid wishful thinking. Beijing’s priority is regime security. Economic development, along with the harsh repression of its own citizens, are the means to maintain political power. Access to the U.S. market is central to Beijing’s strategy.
American access to the massive Chinese market is also essential, but our trade relationship has been a disaster. Despite more than a decade of concessions, the trade deficit with China has grown from $4 billion a year to more than $4 billion a week. China continues to manipulate its currency, making its exports cheaper and U.S. imports more expensive than they would be in free-market conditions." ~ Nancy Pelosi, 10 BT (Before Trump), aka 2006
Whoa, Pelosi is going to be fuming. Love how this jackass spent all his time trying to fuck with China and then reverses that ammendment right before leaving office.Great move Mr. President! Wonder which politicians will oppose this and/or have to shift their investments
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ouse-representatives-president-senate-011321/
Wow, lots of SF news paper links, wonder if they are biased?
I think South Korea will be pro China eventually at least from the Koreans ive met they arent anti China and a lot are learning Mandarian
Still bad. Korea decided to go after the comfort women thing again and go after Japanese Steel companies in Korea.How are Japan and South Korea relations these days, @ElKarlo?
Wasn’t her Chinese driver a spie?The most anti-CCP politician in American history?