Bareknuckle Boxing - Brief History of Bill Richmond and Thomas Molineux

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  1. ShaolinSubzz

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    I posted this in the WR but feel it deserves its own thread. It was a discussion about the ethnic origins of Londoners historically speaking and seeing as this is a combat sports Forum I tried to explain the multiracial makeup of London in terms of the recorded reports concerning pugalism. (Of course this did not go down too well LMAO - but never mind)

    Anyhow I thought you might like to know a bit about two Ex American Slaves who came to become two of the greatest prize fighters (Bare knuckle pugilism that encompassed wrestling) England would ever know.


    http://www.ibhof.com/richmond.htm

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    Bill Richmond and his student (From America - an escaped Slave) Tom Molineaux, I urge anyone interested in combat sports to look into the two fighters above. Why? Well....

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    Fight continues to round 39 - read more here:
    http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Tom_Cribb_vs._Tom_Molineaux_(1st_meeting)
     
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    Great stuff on two Hall-of-fame legends ShaolinSubzz; thanks for posting here.

    These are well known soldiers in the fight game but history is always appreciated in the Boxing forum (or should be).

    There is quite allot of written text available on Bill and Tom, and many of their contemporaries.

    PM me of you are further interested and I
     
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    A good post.......

    Molineux should've been recognized as Heavyweight champion and ended up with the shitty end of the stick........
     
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    That didn't end for quite some time.

    See Hagler/Minter.
     
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    Thanks guys, I will look into these names you mentioned. Is there a good book on the subject?
     
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    Start with these:

    Bareknuckles: A Social History of Prize Fighting
    By Dennis Brailsford


    Black Ajax
    By George MacDonald Fraser
     
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    Thanks, excellent. My next Amazon bill is gonna be a biggun Lol
     
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    Wow I Cant Belive Yall Care About Shit That Happen B4 Your Parents Where Born
     
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    What kind of ignorant-ass statement is that?

    History is a good thing.
     
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    I beg to differ. Kid was ringside for Corbett Vs. Sullivan LOL.
     
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    Wow! Just finished reading Black Ajax. Molineux and Cribb sound indestructible! I cant believe how gory the fights were. In there first encounter they beat each other so badly Cribb has a huge mouse under his eye, to allow him to see they simply lance it and continue on!! Can you imagine the scarring of fighting with those kind of cuts, bareknuckle for 20 or so more rounds??? It appears the eraly fights were very similar to Vale Tudo especially in its rawest form in the deep south, the stuff they put the 'Black Ghost' through and Molieux in his early days was no different to Vale Tudo ( soccer kicks gnp and all).

    Really interesting and really insightful as to how people were back then. I knew that the deep south had some terrible practices towards the treatment of those held as slaves but I had no idea as to the kind of open and acceptable brutality, (ok maybe I did but just this book brought it home), and that was just the opening chapters. This could serve as a very real eye opener to those who think the slave trade was not as bad as its made out to be (And believe me there are many in these forums - but this is the boxing section so I apologize for getting political)

    The boxers themselves are just amazing characters, Tom Cribb seems like an exceptional character as do some of the others. And I enjoyed the way it was written from so many peoples perspectives, he (the author) really got over how people thought back then. I have a friend here in London who is from a very long line of London Jews and he knew of Mendoza, which I found interesting as he does not follow combat sports like I do.

    Thanks a lot for the recommendation, I am going to get a hold of Dennis Brailfords book now. Seriously insightful
     
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    What fucking drugs are you on to post this shit?
     
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    What r u talking about? I am an MMA practitioner. I am posting in a boxing section of an MMA forum about the history of boxing. Can you see a connection fukwad?
     
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    You are most welcome.
    Glad you enjoyed.
     
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    reading the descriptions of the bareknuckle bouts is fascinating. there was a lot of give and take and the descriptions of the injuries is truly horrific. I have a book with a sketch of john c. heenan and tom sayers after their championship fight and they don't look human. take the famous picture of hasim rahman's swelling during his holyfield fight and picture it over both eyes, foreheads and massive cuts along the cheeks and you get the sense of what these fighters looked like after a contest, not to mention the black and blue marks on their bodies and their broken hands swelled up with that peculiar rubbery look endimic to breaks to human bones.

    black ajax is excellent, I recommend it highly also.
     

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