I just watched Genki Sudo lock in his back mount by tucking his foot under his knee liek a triangle. Anyone do this in BJJ? I'm thinking it could be good to stall in a competition. :redface: I'm sure this has been done before so my apologies.
yeps its good for winding the opponent and makes it hard for them to get u off as its tighter than hooks
i use it all the time thats actually one of my favorite moves ... if you lock it in as they breeze out you'll often get a tap here's a pic for anyone who doesn't know what it is http://www.lockflow.com/article_view.php?id=109
I've started to use it if I've got their back and they roll to one side or with me on my back and their weight on my chest. I find it diffucult to keep my hooks in those positions.
It's a great lock and hard for someone to dissmount you.A good example of how to use the figure 4 body lock is when Ivan Salaverry used it in a fight against Tony Fryklund.Salaverry injured Fryklund's back with his body lock.
The only caveat to using a figure 4 when you have your opponent's back is that you need to hide your hooking leg's foot well. Otherwise, you're susceptible to a foot lock. Otherwise, it's a great way to maintain control of someone's back. Personally I dislike using this lock because it prevents you from spinning around and armbarring the guy if chokes aren't working.
I love the figure four lock, I actually find it helps submissions. I usually don't worry about leaving my leg out for a leglock in that position since leglocks are my favorite move therefore I know about 500 different ways to leglock someone when they have my back, accoordingly I can defend and keep them from setting it.. The figure-4 backmount has much greater control makes it very hard to turn back to guard, even hard to give up mount to get them off your back. I find this usually lets me focus more on controlling a arm and working for a submission. I've always been able to pull off armbars from figure four backmount pretty well. I'm just sure to be controlling the arm correctly and pick the right moment to go for it.
It worked well for Genki Sudo!! He tucked his foot behind his opponents leg to hide it I think. I'm really surprised I don't see it more often.
yeah you really gotta hide your foot if you do it. i got put into a footlock while i had some guys back fig.4'd....it didnt hurt enough for the tap though, and i squirmed out
Stable is the best word to describe the lock. I dont like it for the reason Sher-Mutt doesnt. Youve got almost no options besides the basic RNC. If you are wearing the gi, you cant really pull off gi chokes correctly (besides the rear ezekiel), and armbars are out. In no gi its awesome because it gives so much control in a world of slipperiness. Great for stalling if thats your thing. Years ago I learned that once you have it locked in, listen to your opponent breathe. If every time he breathes out lock your legs a little tired (subtle enough for him not to notice), by the third breath hell probably be hyperventalating since he cant expand his chest to breathe and he ll be panicking to get out of the lock and lifting his neck doing all the things that people do when they are desperate.
Be very careful trying the body figure 4 rearmount if your legs are short, or you have very muscular thighs, or your opponent is thick around the middle. If he arches he can damage your knee and/or ankle - I know because it was done to me. If these things don't apply it is an excellent position. It was used very extensively in this year's ADCC. Stephan Kesting www.grapplearts.com
Sadly, my legs are too damned short to body-triangle anybody (with the exception of the occassional anorexic bjj guy, lol).
SOOO True!!! As usual Kesting is right on! I fit the profile described and there is no way i can do this move on most people. I did pull it off once on a guy who was far smaller than me, but in general it is a move for lanky people, tall people, people with long legs. Or it is to be used on skinny opponents. It's definitely not something everybody can do. Just like triangles....some people with strong, short, stocky legs just cannot sink them very well at all. Think of Randleman for example trying to get a triangle around the shoulders of Fedor for example....not going to happen unless Fedor stops everything and actually helps Randleman sink it in deeper so he can be tapped.
just be careful because it is a little dangerous to do on people with back problems i have had back spasms from being on the receiving end
