Babalu's/Couture's Failed RNC

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What did Babalu and Couture do wrong with their RNCs in their last fights? How would you have finished the RNC in those situations?
 
they didn't get them in immediately and it was against big strong guys so they can't force it. With the glove on, it's a lot harder to grind the hand around the neck and under the chin. Plus Tim never stopped arm fighting. It's hard to finish on top level guys unless you nail it and lock it down.
 
it's the gloves...thats why the RNC is much more high percentage in sub wrestling, even tho the athletes are generally higher level grapplers.
 
Part of it is what the other guys did right. All you need to do to avoid the RNC is go two one.
I've seen so many guys in the past mess this up Lambert and Tim both defended perfectly.
 
It's not a matter of them doing anything wrong. Those gloves make it difficult for really good submission guys to sink it in on their opponents. Sylvia isn't a wizard on the ground but he defended that sub quite well. Same with Lambert.
 
Is that the rason also with Lytes guillotine on Hughes?
 
Gloves are a constant for every MMA fight, but people still manage to sink RNCs. I don't think strength is a factor with Babalu vs. Lambert, but maybe for Couture.

Babalu: I thought he should've committed to the left choking arm. He started with the left, and instead of rolling the opponent AWAY from the fence, he switched to the right choking arm and rolled INTO the fence. Got stuck there and expended too much energy.

Couture: I thought he didn't apply a proper harness grip before putting the hooks in. That allowed Sylvia to fight his wrists. I also thought Couture should have rolled Sylvia onto the choking side. Let gravity slide Sylvia into the crook of the choking arm instead of having him lie on top.

Thoughts?
 
look at these armchair warriors... babalu should've done this, couture should've done that...

the guys that they're putting RNC's on are no chumps and were defending well, it also doesn't help that the glove makes it much much much more difficult to get under the throat. stop acting like "this is what i'd do" because you wouldn't even get in a position close to choking one of those guys out.
 
If the guy defending only holds one arm, you can choke him with just the remaining arm. You put it around his neck and then behind your own head, and posture up. Not as tight, but he will choke. This only really works if the guy doesn't have a huge neck, or if you have long arms.
 
Czyivn said:
If the guy defending only holds one arm, you can choke him with just the remaining arm. You put it around his neck and then behind your own head, and posture up. Not as tight, but he will choke. This only really works if the guy doesn't have a huge neck, or if you have long arms.
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works on who? white belts? lol... please just stop this thread now...
 
As a keyboard warrior with extremely limited jujitsu skills, I am going to say that both Babalu and Couture tried to get their RNC in very early in the fight againt opposition that had good defence against it. When it didn't work initially, both of them gave it up instead of spending all of their energy and burning out their arms squeezing their opponents chins.

From what I have seen, it is easier to get the RNC against someone who a striker (ie not as good at grappling) like Lutter vs Sell in his first TUF fight or if the guy is completely gassed like Hughes vs Trigg 2.
 
tri4ben said:
As a keyboard warrior with extremely limited jujitsu skills, I am going to say that both Babalu and Couture tried to get their RNC in very early in the fight againt opposition that had good defence against it. When it didn't work initially, both of them gave it up instead of spending all of their energy and burning out their arms squeezing their opponents chins.

From what I have seen, it is easier to get the RNC against someone who a striker (ie not as good at grappling) like Lutter vs Sell in his first TUF fight or if the guy is completely gassed like Hughes vs Trigg 2.
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there's also a HUGE talent gap in the submission department between lutter and sell and any of the other fights.
 
I fail to secure RNCs from back control pretty much every week. I'd say that against the good blue belts and above, I only land a clean RNC from back control 1 out of 3 times. I sometimes transition to side chokes or triangles from back control, but the RNC itself is something that most skilled grapplers are well aware of and well prepared to defend. And if we're talking sport jiu jitsu or mma training, then I (and most people) land the choke even less often. The gloves are easy for the guy on bottom to grab, and make it hard for the guy with backmount to slip the hand under the chin.
 
hayliks said:
look at these armchair warriors... babalu should've done this, couture should've done that...

the guys that they're putting RNC's on are no chumps and were defending well, it also doesn't help that the glove makes it much much much more difficult to get under the throat. stop acting like "this is what i'd do" because you wouldn't even get in a position close to choking one of those guys out.
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Having a bad day?
 
hayliks said:
you must be new to the grappling forum, this day is no different from the rest.
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Looks like somebody has never paid much attention to your posts before.


FYI: Hayliks does not care for questions that reek of ignorance. He's a fan of the trial-by-fire approach to educating the inexperienced - kind of like the hardcore pledge master in a fraternity or that hard ass upper classman on a sports team that yells at the freshmen for being stupid, not showing up for offseason practices, or for generally not knowing their place and slowing their roll.
 
Maybe I'm just so accustomed to the mma forum that this question seemed more intelligent than average.
 
belko said:
Is that the rason also with Lytes guillotine on Hughes?
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The reason Lytles guillotine didn't work is because it wasn't a "Sunk in" choke. If you notice Matt had his right arm inside of Lytle's left. So technically speaking it wasn't even a legit guillotine attempt and that is why Matt didn't make much of an attempt to stop it. Sure it looked good on paper but it was not really restricting any blood flow on the right side of his neck (which is why he didn't turn red).... Plus Chris was burning way more energy holding that choke than Matt was defending it...
 
The gloves man, the gloves, theyre bulky, and Lambert and Sylvia have good defense.
 
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