International Australia's Position in Asia-Pacific Geopolitics, as Beijing's Rising Shadow Casts Over Region.

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  1. Neph

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    Some very few individual countries within the Commonwealth? Yes, we may be arguably closer. However more broadly are we closer to the Commonwealth countries than the US? Absolutely not. Check out the list:


    Antigua and Barbuda
    Australia
    Bahamas
    Bangladesh
    Barbados
    Belize
    Botswana
    Brunei
    Cameroon
    Canada
    Cyprus
    Dominica
    Fiji
    The Gambia
    Ghana
    Grenada
    Guyana
    India
    Jamaica
    Kenya
    Kiribati
    Lesotho
    Malawi
    Malaysia
    Malta
    Mauritius
    Mozambique
    Namibia
    Nauru
    New Zealand
    Nigeria
    Pakistan
    Papua New Guinea
    Rwanda
    Saint Kitts and Nevis
    Saint Lucia
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
    Samoa
    Seychelles
    Sierra Leone
    Singapore
    Solomon Islands
    South Africa
    Sri Lanka
    Swaziland
    Tanzania
    Tonga
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Tuvalu
    Uganda
    United Kingdom
    Vanuatu
    Zambia
     
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    Gandhi War Room Deep State Platinum Member

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    You need to start to fathom how much economic value rests on the idea that western countries, most importantly the USA will honor its future commitments.
     
  3. ShinkanPo

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    Maybe Trudeo is already paid for the Chinese no need to put Chinese in his cabinet.

    Sooner or later the Chinese will own everything its like no one can resist their charm you will buy and sell to them no matter what.

    Time will tell.. Sooner or later time will tell
     
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    Haha fair enough. Caught me. I posted on impulse, knowing afterward it was logically flawed.
     
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    There is already growing pushback. I think there's a better than even chance things will improve by the end of the decade.
     
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    Uh, no. It's not racist in the slightest (had to be said although you're obviously being facetious, edit: because it's an important point of logic). The issue is with the political and business habits of the country, not on the basis of Chinese as an ethnic distinction.

    It's similar to the way people can be against what Israel is doing without being anti-Semitic. Dontcha think?
     
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    we do not have the jobs/housing/industries for any extreme immigration unless they just want to add more tax payers.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Actually it was under our conservative, centre-right Liberal party that our immigration was opened up. Howard was very much in favour of "Big Australia", despite all his dog whistling about "boat people". Rudd continued that idea, and it was actually under Gillard (centre-left Labor party) that things tightened up.
    Turnbull (also Liberal party, but more of the more classically Liberal/libertarian branch) is also a "Big Australia" proponent, but hasn't actually made any large changes to immigration policy.
     
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    @Ruprecht

    What do you see as the solution to largely Mainland Chinese investors, families, and so on buying up a large amount of good real-estate in Sydney and Melbourne? I have a lot of fair minded colleagues from Melbourne who see it as a big problem, and have been priced out of a lot of places in the market.

    Do you see an ethical and legal solution to limit the influx of money and influence?

    All economics aside, this is perhaps an even bigger problem culturally.

    In all honesty, Beijing creates a quasi-fascist mindset among a lot of citizens about Chinese politics, and then uses their migrants to raise loud voices in a republic that must be heard, and stifles dissent abroad.

    As well, especially stifles dissent among Chinese living abroad, Taiwanese, Hong Kongers, and often with very blunt and ugly means, and in the States at least they do it with what amount to spies for lack of a better word. "Workers," Chinese Nationals on retainer who serve Beijing, who in mafia terms have no show jobs in the U.S. and will show up on people's doorsteps to intimidate them. That should be wholly unacceptable, but is common practice.

    Further, the conditions are not really the Mainlanders fault, but they are fed hand to mouth propaganda, collectivization, and fearsome Nationalism since they can read and write, and Beijing is accelerating those efforts.

    How do you stop that rising tide, should the tide be stopped? It seems woefully unfair, and is to dissidents in the States, and to some in the States economically in certain regional schools and neighborhoods. (Although not as much as in Australia due to the distance.)
     
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    you actually think indonesia could be a potential ally akin to america or one that could be depended on. fact is if chinas rise continues south korea, malaysia and maybe even japan just do not have the capabilities to fight china. do you really think its worth cutting off america and forging relationships with countries whos allegiance would be dubious at best. take one look at the phillipines for example.

    As pax america wanes and that cycle ends certain allegiance/economies and attitudes change. im sure theres many polish who arent all that enthusiastic when it comes to antagonising russia. we are different, we are apart of americas sphere of influence not chinas.

    im all for negotiating with other countires in the neighbourhood but i just cannot see the logic in pissing off merica so we can forge happy friend relationships with nations of dubious alllegiance. how many of those countires even have an aircraft carrier....
     
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    although you didnt ask me i believe the only solution is to confiscate all foreign owned property, especially chinese. the investors dont loose their money (well not all of it) as those properties will be auctioned off and they can collect whatever they sell for.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I'm in Adelaide, and although I worked in "China Town" for well over a decade never really saw it. Plenty of anti-beijing protests from falun gong practitioners all the time (in the heart of China Town).
    Although there has been a bit of a change amongst the younger Chinese students and migrants in comparison to the older migrants who were more likely to be staunchly anti-beijing. That's a generational change bred from their rising urban middle class.
    Overall (although I know there's areas in Melbourne and Sydney that are massively effected by Chinese investment) the housing market (and "housing crisis") in Australia isn't really a product of foreign investment so much as the huge number of "mom and pop" investors in Australian real estate in comparison to other countries. Our system is actually set up to encourage that with negative gearing.
     
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    Solid!!
     
  15. Ruprecht

    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Indonesia replace America? No, that's not remotely close to anything I've said.
    Little has changed in Australian foreign policy in terms of balancing American foreign policy alignment and Chinese economic reality, despite America being an increasingly unreliable ally in the region. That's why we need to get off their coattails, rather than just hope for the best.
    Japan absolutely has begun ramping up their own military spending as a result, as has South Korea.
     
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    China to Australia: Remove 'colored glasses' to get ties back on track
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    lol.
     
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