Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by CelticDeath, Jan 10, 2006.
What are the best techniques to use when my opp has gotten into the turtle position?
If you are ahead on points, stand up and walk away. Your opponent will be left on the mat looking stupid.
Reverse omoplata, problem solved.
Anaconda, guilotine, take the back & if it's gi you can try a clock choke & (forget the name) rolling gi choke similar looking to an anaconda movement.
Guys who are good with the turtle will defend really well against the clock/spinning choke.
I think knees are your best answer. I like to put in one knee to take the back, or the other to try for the crucifix. If he grabs your leg from turtle, roll into the omoplata.
I feel like I can sit in turtle for ages. Even if the other guy is good, a guy who is decent at turtle guard can sit around forever in it.
unless im down on points and someone turtles up and they are defending pretty good, I just walk away.
Its safer to stand and get more points with a takedown then get reversed from the turtle
There is a move where you do a little somethin somethin and flip him over to get sidemount.
I think your first goal should be getting the hooks in. There's several options for sure, but getting your hooks in is a good generic start.
My preferred method for attacking a Turtled Opponent is what I call the 'Can Opener Roll'. Can't remember any of the real names for it. Start by standing to the 'side' of your opponent, assuming this is a Gi movement.
(1.)Grab the Gi around the back of their Collar while standing over them(bend at the hips to keep your feet out of immediate reach for them to get ahold of), fingers inside. Grab their belt with your other hand, fingers inside, so you could technically pick them up like a piece of furniture.
(2.)Go ahead and do so. Lift them up a bit or shake them so you loosen the defenses a few inches and...
(3.)...as you drop them down, step THROUGH the loop or arch made by your arms with the foot closest to THEIR feet and hook your heel into any gap you can find between their arm and leg.
(4.)Roll forward, over your opponent, into a somersault while your hook is dug in, and maintain your grip. Pull everything tight with you as you roll. Your momentum(if your weight is similar... This won't work if they're Sumo-class and you're not.) and strength will hike them up off the ground, freak them out, open their guard, and throw them over your roll.
Depending on your speed, their reactions, and some other factors, you should land in a near perfect position to quickly transition to a traditional armbar or Triangle choke.
Thanks for the help everyone!
Get a grip around his chest, one over hook and one underhook, and then work the hooks.
if you get their back and get both hooks in don't you get 4 points?
i like to get one hook in and then set up for the twister or calf crank.
if your on top and on his left side, put your left hook in (it's usually hard to get both hooks in when someone turtles, but you only need one).
once your hook is in look back and grab his left ankle and pull (your leg will be over the back of his knee) hard to describe, easy to do!
if that doesn't work go for the twister (if that doesn't work you are set up for rear mount) if you don't know what i'm talking about, i can't explain it without writing a book.
always go for the hooks when they expose the back but you can grab his belt and flip him over
yeah but that isnt as easy as it sounds.
I havent had anyone but older purples get both hooks and control me and thats what you need to get the 4 points.
put me up against other white belts my level (4-stripes), I can defend really well.
If someone is good at turtle they can sit and defend hooks all day long. That's why you need additional attacks.
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