yomon said:why? there still growing like weeds and getting stronger.
You must have never had the pleasure of feeling the burn from a plyometric pushup in your arms or forcing against the whole wieght of your body in a handstand pushup.
headstand pushups dont work the bi's, bro. you'd have to describe the plyo pushups but if those are the bouncy ones, they can strain the ligaments in your chest.yomon said:why? there still growing like weeds and getting stronger.
You must have never had the pleasure of feeling the burn from a plyometric pushup in your arms or forcing against the whole wieght of your body in a handstand pushup.
Iceman5592 said:Okay guys, I figured we'd put this together for people who need to learn the difference between basic bodybuilding exercises and functional, athletic movements. I'll put in my knowledge, but I know guys on here like Urban and Carnal will be able to tell you a lot more than me.
-Bodybuilding gets trashed on here so much because it can actually be detrimental to sports performance. With isolation exercises like curls, you're, in effect, retraining your Central Nervous System (CNS) to use one specific muscle group. By nature, your CNS recruits multiple muscle groups to complete a task (hence why when you see beginner lifters, they try to put their back into doing curls). Your CNS isn't wrong for doing this. In any athletic movement, especially martial arts, you will never use just one muscle group. So why train your body to do this?
-One of the things you should seek through lifting is balance training. Without balance, your stength pretty much has no use. Sacrifice some extra weight and instead work on balance training. For example, instead of a bench press, try using two dumbbells and a Swiss ball. Now, I didn't say replace your bench press with this, but every once in a while, switch over to the dumbbells and Swiss Ball. Personally, I believe dumbbells are better than barbells, because they force your weaker side to work as hard as your dominant side. Equal strength on both sides = greater athletic balance = greater performance.
I have to go, but I'll add more. Feel free to chip in.
wenispinkle said:i love how bench press is the only lift that is ever getting ridiculed for being "not sport specific" and "not functional". theres no such thing as a sport specific lift. when was the last time you put a guy you were grappling with on your back and squatted him, or cleaned and push pressed him? youve never done it, but it doesnt mean these movements are useless, they are in fact very important. so stop acting like bench press is the only lift in the world thats not specific to fighting
SwiftMcvay said:For all of you saying bench press is useless in grappling. Pick two noobs. First, roll with the guy who benches 180 and squats 250. Then, go against the guy who benches 300+ and squats 400+. Now tell me if you can notice the strength difference, and tell me who is a lot harder to beat, and unless the weaker guy is phenomenal technique for a noob, the stronger guy will be MUCH harder to beat. Thats how it is from my experience anyway.
bck said:I've heard that doing push-ups with a wide "grip" or whatever, actually does help the biceps grow and strengthens them. I'm not sure about it, though..
Madmick said:Am I the only striker in here?
Bench press= harder punches.
Yes, it does, hips & legs ain't everything.
Sean S said:And yes, by the way, I have squatted a 260 pound man on my back before. So I have no idea where your point is in that.
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well, if you cant affort weights and you have cousins, i guess you're in luck.wenispinkle said:what the hell kind of grappling do you do where your trying to get your opponent up on your shoulders and squat him? you most likely did it has part of a grappling strength drill, not part of actual grappling, which was my point in that you never bench/squat/push press/deadlift your opponent in actual grappling but they are obviously very useful for building strength. maybe you should have read my post better
OpethDrums said:bunch of bullshit except for the dumbells and swiss ball
Fight_Song said:headstand pushups dont work the bi's, bro. you'd have to describe the plyo pushups but if those are the bouncy ones, they can strain the ligaments in your chest.
if you're getting any benifit in your bicepts it's just because they're getting bloodflow. if you did bicept work your curl would be better than it is now. that you're seeing right now is jsut base strength from being active.
ex. if you never bench but you're active and play sports and etc, of course your bench will be better than that of someone who does nothing. just as a comparison.
wenispinkle said:what the hell kind of grappling do you do where your trying to get your opponent up on your shoulders and squat him? you most likely did it has part of a grappling strength drill, not part of actual grappling, which was my point in that you never bench/squat/push press/deadlift your opponent in actual grappling but they are obviously very useful for building strength. maybe you should have read my post better
Eric O said:Bench press = escape from side mount