At this point, who gets 2nd greatest WW of all time spot? Hughes or Woodley?

[WHITE ANDERSON]

arguing for second place...

who cares?

 

[Dirge]

Hey, this is Sherdog, it's not for the painted heart! To make my point with a more mature vernacular, there is absolutely no version of Hughes that could deal with the current level of wrestling and striking that Woodley possesses. It is that simple.

Opinions are like assholes....

Hughes has the far more impressive career setting aside the fact that he had more than twice as many fights by the time he hit Woodley's current age

I'll go with a guy who beat Penn and GSP for 100 Bob...

 

[Grr]

BJ Penn
2/3 over Hughes

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

I think Woodley solidifies the spot as soon as his next title defense. In a head-to-head fight between both fighters in their primes, Woodley would demolish the shit out of him.

Matt Hughes tossed people around like rag dolls. He set the standard for wrestling to finish in early MMA.

The only reason I consider it a dispute is because I think twood has the potential to put together quite a resume with a few more key wins

 

[MMAProfessional]

Regardless of what some are saying, I don't think Tyron has an argument for GOAT WW yet. That spot still has to go to GSP. But how about 2nd greatest WW of all time? How does what Tyron has done up to this point stack up against what all Matt Hughes did in his career? This isn't a "who would beat who in their primes?" thread. But we can talk about that if ya like. But it's more of a "who did more in their career?" thread. And yes I realize Tyron isn't done yet. I'm just saying at THIS point....

....What do you think?

Is this even a debate? Hughes has a far more accomplished career as a champion and as a winner in general. How could you even make this comparison??? Hughes has more title defenses and beat GSP and Penn. Keep in mind that two of Tyrons defenses were a draw and split which he arguably could have lost both. His Till win was nice but who knows where Till's skills are at because I thought he clearly lost to Wonderboy then got thrown to the wolves. Matt beat a lot of established fighters during his era. Tyrons career doesn't stack up to Hughes.

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

? Have you seen the guys Hughes has beat

BJ Penn at his best , GSP, seam sherk, Carlos Newton etc..

Prime Newton was a LOT better than people tend to remember. Seriously

 

[ANIM4L]

How does the division stack up against the division Hughes had to fare against?

Good question. Back then I was in awe of the fighters so I held them in high regards. But looking closely, Newton, Sherk, Trigg, GSP, Penn were big fights for him. 2 of them were LWs who moved up and he lost to 2 of them. The landscape was different then. Lytle late in his career was a big achievement too. Royce was what it was.

Woodley has faced bigger specialists in Maia, Stephens, Till... Equally tough guys in Lawler, Gastelum, Daley, Koscheck... Ponzi and RDA would be great wins. I believe whole heartedly he beats Rory in a rematch if they didnt give him to Bellator. Marquart and Shields gets avenged too. He still has time to improve his legacy, if GSP fights him that would be huge.

Im leaving out a lot fighters and details but thats my thoughts in a nutshell.

 

[Dirge]

Matt Hughes tossed people around like rag dolls. He set the standard for wrestling to finish in early MMA.

The only reason I consider it a dispute is because I think twood has the potential to put together quite a resume with a few more key wins

I'd be inclined to agree if there were actually key fights available to him

Who is left? Colby and usman ...

Two of the top 10 WW fighters aren't even currently in the UFC

 

[DoopidyDawesome]

Opinions are like assholes.

I'll agree 100% with this fine point.

 

[Reileyb]

Hughes, I see no reason for anyone to have Woodley over hughes, let Woodley get a couple more title defenses and then maybe i'll talk comparisons.

 

[TheChance]

Eat a Snickers, SFF.

At least this ain't a Conor thread.

Nicely done

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

I'd be inclined to agree if there were actually key fights available to him

Who is left? Colby and usman ...

Two of the top 10 WW fighters aren't even currently in the UFC

Colby Usman, then after that the only options are super fight and GSP. If he throws together enough to become a super fight draw it's gonna make sense for GSP to fight him. That's when it'll be interesting and he'll potentially enter the GOAT WW discussion

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

GSP im going to give an asterisk too.
...and GSP..well, he came back to convincingly beat matts ass.

AFTER getting finished in the first round. GSP was doing great in that fight. But let's be real, it's not like he lost a close decision. He got tapped in the first round. He grew as a fighter after that of course, but it's not like he was green when Hughes beat him.

 

[MMAProfessional]

How does the division stack up against the division Hughes had to fare against?

It doesn't. BJ Penn, Royce Gracie, Frank Trigg, GSP, Sean Sherk (although undersized), Carlos Newton 2 times. Looking at how things turned out for them might lake someone ignorant think those fighters aside from GSP weren't good but that's not the case. He took down Gracie and completely out grappled him and let go of an armbar because he said Gracie was going to let it snap instead of tap so he punched his face in.

 

[QcChopper]

Hughes' wins in championship fights: 8
Woodley's wins in championship fights: 4

 

[Dirge]

AFTER getting finished in the first round. GSP was doing great in that fight. But let's be real, it's not like he lost a close decision. He got tapped in the first round.

Big deal. Cain got smoked by jds in the first round and look what happened in the rematches

You clearly hate gsp not sure why but more power to You

GSP happens to be the only fighter to have avenged every one of his losses

Let me know when Woodley beats Rory mkay Felicia ?

 

[Goon Dog]

I spent a day with Matt when he held the title. Biggest douche bag I ever met in MMA. That being said, he is still the 2nd greatest WW to compete in any MMA organization and TWood has no chance of taking his place anytime soon. None. Victories over:

Almeida
Renzo Gracie
Matt Serra
Lytle
BJ Penn
Royce Gracie
Diesel Riggs
Trigg (twice)
GSP
Sherk
Carlos Newton (twice)

Three of those guys are already Hall of Famers and a fourth, GSP, is a lock. 10 of those 13 fights were finishes. I happen to like Tyron. He marches to his own drum, but people debate his level of success. Hughes is a fucking legit legend and even people who didn't like him acknowledge it.

End. of. Story.

 

[Agent Mulder's Hair]

arguing for second place...

who cares?

With MOST things in life I'd agree with you. But this is mma.

For example, who's 2nd best at LHW? Jones is #1 by most accounts. But jockeying for 2nd place in that division we have such names as:

Chuck Liddell
Wanderlei Silva
Rampage Jackson
Daniel Cormier
Shogun Rua
Dan Henderson
Frank Shamrock
Randy Couture
Tito Ortiz
etc.


Point is, 2nd place matters in this sport.

 

[MMAProfessional]

Did you start watching mma in 2010 right a round the time Hughes retired

Hughes at his best was a monster, far more aggressive than Woodley

Prime vs. Prime Hughes wins

I'm amazed that people are saying this. His his wonderboy fights can be a wash. Hughes was slamming and bashing people's face in when they were at the top of his division. Even towards the end of his career he had a decent run against good guys.

 

[Dirge]

Funny how Woodley had almost zero fans a week ago.

His beats a guy with one decision win over a top 10 fighter and suddenly sherdoggers are swinging off his nuts

A couple more snoozefest wins or a loss and he will be despised again