Aspinall vs Gane is the fight to make

[Alpha_T83]

Uh most of the media score rounds 1 and 2 before round 3 has even happened...

Just to elaborate, I noticed round 2 is the contentious round with the media.

I've ALSO noticed a large number of media scorecards like to "even up" fights they feel are close. So if Fighter A win rounds 1, but it's close, and Fighter A also wins round 2, but it's close, they are more likely to give round 2 to Fighter B, just to "even it up".

This is improper scoring, and anyone that does this should be banned from ever discussing fight scoring ever.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Saying that Aspinall beating Gane will prove to people that he would beat Jones is just wrong from the rip. That's not how MMA fans operate at all.

Despite the fact that Jones is one of the greatest wrestlers the octagon has ever seen and Gane can't outgrapple a paper bag, people will make direct comparisons on how the fights played out. If Tom takes 1 second more or takes 1 strike more, or even needs 3 takedowns to finish, compared to Jon's 2, the narrative will be that Jon is too dominant for Tom.

Not to mention, the UFC isn't making Tom vs Gane and it shouldn't be made before Jon is stripped, so the idea that the UFC does that to "pressure" Jon doesn't mean anything either. And it certainly won't make Tom a "star," especially if it's just another interim fight and Jon isn't stripped beforehand as is being suggested. Fighters usually don't get any kind of long lasting shine for beating a popular fighter, and they CERTAINLY don't get any kind of shine for beating an unpopular guy that a popular fighter beat.

Volkov got robbed badly

Yeah, that happens though. We're talking about booking a fight, which you should always go by the record for. If we were talking about most difficult fight in the rankings for Tom, then yeah, we can analyze how Volkov looked like the better fighter than Gane and should have won in that discussion, but we should never go "Let's just pretend the fighter who lost actually won and move the division on from there." There is a very clear like between that and who "should have won," which is Volkov all day.

Uh most of the media score rounds 1 and 2 before round 3 has even happened...

Unfortunately, most of the media scores are just one final score tweet with no round by round breakdown, which I've been quite annoyed with, because that's not how MMAdecisions should work, considering that judges and fans do have to do that.

Regardless, I have always held, and have never seen a good argument against, the stance that media are the worst section on MMAdecisions to review for who should have won a fight.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

The media are retards??

If I was fighting, I would rather a judging team of Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee, and Mike Bell over a judging team of Jed Meshew, Paul Fontaine, and whoever the fuck runs MMABrasil.com.br

I agree with this. If Aspinall can't beat Gane, it would prove he didn't deserve to fight Jon Jones, and that we are all wrong.

Nah, he'd still have deserved to have fought him, he will have just lost the chance to. We could count that as us being wrong taking for granted what the results of Tom vs Jon would be, but Jon is the one who has to prove that, not Gane

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Gane was the Aspinall of the division not long ago, now everyone is jumping off the bandwagon and somehow rationalizing that they shouldn't even fight....deep down it must be fear and insecurity as they know Tom gets by on how he moves for his size and Gane is just as big and moves just as well, with a much better rounded striking game.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Gane stinks. Ducked Tom in the past. Has done nothing to earn that fight.

fuck gane. I'm Gane-a puke if they make that dumbass fight

 

[mkess101]

If I was fighting, I would rather a judging team of Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee, and Mike Bell over a judging team of Jed Meshew, Paul Fontaine, and whoever the fuck runs MMABrasil.com.br


Nah, he'd still have deserved to have fought him, he will have just lost the chance to. We could count that as us being wrong taking for granted what the results of Tom vs Jon would be, but Jon is the one who has to prove that, not Gane

There are examples of awful judging in both the media and the AC's.

If 19 of 20 media members score a fight one way, it's not exactly a stretch to say that fighter should've won. I'm biased toward myself I suppose, but I also think I'm better than any of either. And I absolutely couldn't believe after watching Gane/Volkov 2 that Gane got the nod. I assumed he'd win going into the fight but in watching it...no way did he.

 

[mkess101]

Gane was the Aspinall of the division not long ago, now everyone is jumping off the bandwagon and somehow rationalizing that they shouldn't even fight....deep down it must be fear and insecurity as they know Tom gets by on how he moves for his size and Gane is just as big and moves just as well, with a much better rounded striking game.

The insecurity would be Gane who seems to want zero part of Aspinall. Gane maybe moves as well as Tom sure. But doesn't have the handspeed or power (not even close) and isn’t as good a grappler (or even close).

If Gane actually agrees I'd imagine we see them fight at some point.

 

[Mind Mine]

Agreed. Assuming Jones is truly still ducking Aspinall (and they don't have an actual agreement behind the scenes), then Tom should fight Gane or Volkov ASAP. Defending his interim title in September is the best way to guarantee himself the maximum pressure to fight Jon Jones. It would also push the UFC to get Jones to agree to defend vs Aspinall should he defend his interim title. If Jones refuses, I think Aspinall's interim title defense would turn undisputed.

THE UFC for obvious business reasons to anyone not a mark is not pushing for Jones Aspinall. If Gane beats the dog shit out of Aspinall they would have made the correct call in making sure the last fight on the last golden era legend isn’t against someone that would immediately get his ass kicked by Gane. It builds Aspinall’s star which btw isn’t proven to sell. Your focus is on the cage fighter not the obvious moves being made by the business to generate a star out of a man with none and it’s simping

 

[Mind Mine]

If I was fighting, I would rather a judging team of Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee, and Mike Bell over a judging team of Jed Meshew, Paul Fontaine, and whoever the fuck runs MMABrasil.com.br


Nah, he'd still have deserved to have fought him, he will have just lost the chance to. We could count that as us being wrong taking for granted what the results of Tom vs Jon would be, but Jon is the one who has to prove that, not Gane

Lay off the Adderall champ

 

[Fact Checker]

I think we’re all tired of white belt Gane and his protection from wrestlers… now he’s getting taken down and controlled by one dimensional strikers like Volkov.


He shouldn’t be anywhere near a title shot until he’s faced with a grappler like Blaydes or Almeida. Enough is enough. We get he’s their French meal ticket, but he’s harmless and hasn’t developed a semi respectable ground game in all these years.

 

[JBJ was here]

Volkov got robbed badly

Not even close to a robbery. Gane clearly won the first round and Volkov clearly won round 3.

As for round 2, not much happened. On the broadcast, with replay and a good camera angle, it's pretty clear that Volkov's backfist was the most significant strike of the round and that there wasn't enough done by Gane to balance it out, but, oddly enough, cage-side judges don't watch the broadcast and don't watch replays. A live view of that backfist from some shitty low angle screened by the ref or the fighters, or simply being momentarily distracted by the raucous arena, and all of a sudden Gane's elbow to Volkov's temple looks like the clearly most significant strike in a round where each fighter landed two total strikes worth qualitative consideration. That's true even if every person watching the broadcast would have scored round 2 for Volkov based on what they saw.

The decision in the Gane-Volkov fight was absolutely normal, and Volkov's failure to be able to damage, much less finish, a fighter fighting in severe pain on one foot for two-and-a-half rounds was so utterly embarrassing that it's surprising that he keeps whiniing about the result in public; if I were him I'd really want everyone to forget his spectacularly abysmal performance in that fight.

 

[mkess101]

Not even close to a robbery. Gane clearly won the first round and Volkov clearly won round 3.

As for round 2, not much happened. On the broadcast, with replay and a good camera angle, it's pretty clear that Volkov's backfist was the most significant strike of the round and that there wasn't enough done by Gane to balance it out, but, oddly enough, cage-side judges don't watch the broadcast and don't watch replays. A live view of that backfist from some shitty low angle screened by the ref or the fighters, or simply being momentarily distracted by the raucous arena, and all of a sudden Gane's elbow to Volkov's temple looks like the clearly most significant strike in a round where each fighter landed two total strikes worth qualitative consideration. That's true even if every person watching the broadcast would have scored round 2 for Volkov based on what they saw.

The decision in the Gane-Volkov fight was absolutely normal, and Volkov's failure to be able to damage, much less finish, a fighter fighting in severe pain on one foot for two-and-a-half rounds was so utterly embarrassing that it's surprising that he keeps whiniing about the result in public; if I were him I'd really want everyone to forget his spectacularly abysmal performance in that fight.

GTFO. It was a robbery. Volkov didn't do a ton of damage in rd 2 but Gane did NONE.

19 of 20 media scorecards had it for Volkov. If it was like 14-6 or 13-7...okay. You could probably drop the "robbery" and downgrade to "probably bad decision". When it's almost unanimous? It's a robbery.

I guess we can say many years later that Volkov was paid back for the robbery in his favor in his UFC debut vs Johnson haha.

 

[Skarsgard]

Any 2-1 decision isn't robbed. The fight should have been 5 rounds though like their first fight.

Also UFC's own stats show Gane winning rounds 1 & 2 so I'm not exactly sure how you're considering this robbed.

Media are RETARDS. They are well known for scoring the fight "as a whole" based on their feelings after a fight. You take any fight in which a Fighter A clearly won rounds 1 & 2, but Fighter B dominates round 3, and the retards in the media will inevitably score that fight 29-28 for Fighter B, because they are ... retarded. The majority of the fans are in the same boat.

Leonard Garcia beat KZ 2-1. That was my go-to for a robbery example for years.

 

[Captain Herb]

Agreed. Assuming Jones is truly still ducking Aspinall (and they don't have an actual agreement behind the scenes), then Tom should fight Gane or Volkov ASAP. Defending his interim title in September is the best way to guarantee himself the maximum pressure to fight Jon Jones. It would also push the UFC to get Jones to agree to defend vs Aspinall should he defend his interim title. If Jones refuses, I think Aspinall's interim title defense would turn undisputed.

Problem is that if Tom takes another fight Jon will catch the red eye back to the States and fight Pereira. Then we start the whole 2-year process all over again

 

[muaythaibeast]

Gane was the Aspinall of the division not long ago, now everyone is jumping off the bandwagon and somehow rationalizing that they shouldn't even fight....deep down it must be fear and insecurity as they know Tom gets by on how he moves for his size and Gane is just as big and moves just as well, with a much better rounded striking game.

This is what happens, number one contenders change. At one point Forrest Griffin was the Jon Jones of 205.
Aspinall more comparable to JDS after the Carwin win at this stage than Gane. He has 5 first round finishes of guys in the top 10, and has almost never lost an exchange, never mind a round. No number one contender in the history of the sport has done that to earn a shot.

 

[Evbo]

Gane was the Aspinall of the division not long ago, now everyone is jumping off the bandwagon and somehow rationalizing that they shouldn't even fight....deep down it must be fear and insecurity as they know Tom gets by on how he moves for his size and Gane is just as big and moves just as well, with a much better rounded striking game.

God damn man, are you not in pain from all the insane twisting you do? We know you're terrified of JJ fighting Aspinall, you don't have to weave it into every single post of yours

 

[Alpha_T83]

Problem is that if Tom takes another fight Jon will catch the red eye back to the States and fight Pereira. Then we start the whole 2-year process all over again

Nah that's why you negotiate publicly on X and demand the UFC not allow Jones to fight until your match is done. Because Jon can't do that with the UFC being complicit.

AND if the UFC schedule Aspinall/Gane and then schedule Jones/Pereira, then they were going to do it anyway.

I think as is, Jon Jones demand is "Pereira or retirement", and knowing that Jon is a sociopathic vindictive little bitch, I guarantee he's added a demand that the UFC strip Aspinall of his belt.

Unless Jon accepts to fight Tom, I think there's a 90% chance Dana turns around and strips Aspinall of his interim title, stating "he hasn't defended his belt in a year" and then schedules Jones/Pereira anyway.

 

[omawho402]

I want to see Tom vs Cyril, but I don't agree that if Tom wins that automatically means he would've beat Jon.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

God damn man, are you not in pain from all the insane twisting you do? We know you're terrified of JJ fighting Aspinall, you don't have to weave it into every single post of yours

Gane has fought Jon Jones and Ngannou.....who has Aspinall had to balls to get in there with on that level?

 

[mkess101]

Gane has fought Jon Jones and Ngannou.....who has Aspinall had to balls to get in there with on that level?

Why? Seriously, I'm asking this genuinely....why do you want to look so stupid? It's not just you, there are others like that Mark G moron but I cannot understand why you'd have the desire to look like a moron all the time.

Aspinall has been asking to fight Jones for how long now? Acting like he's the holdup is clown shoes shit. The balls? FFS. He can't MAKE Jones have the balls to fight HIM.