Article- Unintended Consequences of the New Double Guard Pull Rule

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  1. BJJbrick

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    Rubberman1 John Rambo Life Lessons

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    I think guard pulling should be stopped all together , you should both have to fight for a takedown then if you can recover guard do your thing
     
  3. Balto

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    Getting an advantage for coming on top after a double guard pull is not new. It has been that way for at least a year, maybe more. None of that predicted stuff happened.
     
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    Calibur Jiu Jitsu Snob

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    Maybe I'm dumb but none of those points made any send to me.
     
  5. Leify

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    I prefer the ADCC interpretation. -1 on pull, unless you end up on bottom as a result of a failed takedown you worked for for at least 3 seconds.

    The double guard pull rule though is fine. It could stand to be reduced to 10 seconds, but the biggest flaw with it is that it's entirely based around the action of pulling, not the position of both guys sitting on their ass. So if you end up in that double guard position from anything other than a double pull, there's no penalty after 20 seconds, which is usually where the real stallfest problem comes from.
     
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    I don't think a single advantage will persuade anyone to change their game or play top position if there more comfortable on the ground.

    Also, standing up in someones guard is risky because your going to help them set up sweeps.

    Either way, I dont actually like the rule. Even though I like passing more, I think this rule discourages the sport aspect of BJJ... Its essentialy going to force someone to volunteer to stay on top who is not comfortable there just so they dont get DQ'd.
     
  8. anaconda

    anaconda Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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    It's always been like that. At least as long as I can remember.
     
  9. Einarr

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    Just penalize guard-pulling already. It's dumb, has no martial application, and does nothing good for the art.
     
  10. Dirty Holt

    Dirty Holt Black Belt Professional Fighter

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    The new rule penalizes both guys who refuse to take top. The advantage point for a double pull isnt new. What is new is not allowing both guys to clutch to the bottom until the very end to get the advantage, or hold bottom to the very end to get the sweep.
     
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    WARRIOR POET Banned Banned

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    yes, lets just have shit standup for 8 mins where both guys are bent over.

    and yes, penalizing the fucking GUARD is ever going to happen in bjj

    go watch a judo match or wrestling if you want takedowns
     
  12. pistol3

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    I would much rather watch someone pull guard than two people jacket wrestle on their feet for 5 minutes.
     
  13. waiguoren

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    Takedowns would improve over time in response to the new rules. Also stall calls would go a long way.
     
  15. Linthec

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    If an advantage is given to the guy that comes up, then why not just go ahead and give an advantage to the guy who doesn't pull, instead of forcing him to double pull in order to earn it?
     
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    If an advantage is given to the guy that comes up, then why not just go ahead and give an advantage to the guy who doesn't pull, instead of forcing him to double pull in order to earn it?
     
  17. Einarr

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    Yeah, heaven forbid that Jiujiteiros might have to actually learn some stand-up . . . how terrible.
     
  18. FlexLuthor

    FlexLuthor Blue Belt

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    You're definitely a guard puller.

    I mean bottom player.

    I mean power bottom.
     
  19. Leify

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    Shitty takedowns open up opportunities for the other person. It's definitely higher risk than making contact and sitting to your ass.
     
  20. Chute Stomp

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    They should be removing rules, not adding them. When you add rules all that happens is the competitors develop strategies to game the system. Let people pull guard if they want, but remove the reaping rule and see what happens. You will see more effective leg-locks and new sweeping and submission opportunities emerge.
     

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