Crime Arsonist sets fire to Josh Shapiro's house.

[Siver!]

You just contradicted yourself 3 times in one post

I really didn't.

Is that you, Bryce?

 

[revoltub]

I really didn't.

Is that you, Bryce?

let's look at pure, 'default' incident of arson. Let's say a pyromaniac sets fire to a vacant property. I'm pretty sure this is the most common form of arson.

The purpose of this is the thrill (from the compulsion) to damage a property through fire.

Obviously

 

[Siver!]

let's look at pure, 'default' incident of arson. Let's say a pyromaniac sets fire to a vacant property. I'm pretty sure this is the most common form of arson.

The purpose of this is the thrill (from the compulsion) to damage a property through fire.

Obviously

LOL.

So despite the fact that you accepted he effectively sneaked his way into a secure gated community which took effort and planning - and despite the fact that he set fire to the home of a political opponent - and despite the fact that he did this while the occupiers were asleep so that they couldn't react or put the fire out themselves - and despite the fact that the house was actually occupied at the time - you're going for "pyromania" and "property damage" as the intent.

Dear oh dear.

I mean it's such a stretch that even in this post you have to label the imaginary property "vacant" for it to make sense

He's going to jail for attempted murder and domestic terrorism because that's what it is.

Stop simping for lunatics. Being stupid isn't an excuse.

 

[Xanzito]

Hope he shares a cell with the tesla trantifa for 20y+

 

[revoltub]

LOL.

So despite the fact that you accepted he effectively sneaked his way into a secure gated community which took effort and planning - and despite the fact that he set fire to the home of a political opponent - and despite the fact that he did this while the occupiers were asleep so that they couldn't react or put the fire out themselves - and despite the fact that the house was actually occupied at the time - you're going for "pyromania" and "property damage" as the intent.

Dear oh dear.

I mean it's such a stretch that even in this post you have to label the imaginary property "vacant" for it to make sense

He's going to jail for attempted murder and domestic terrorism because that's what it is.

Stop simping for lunatics. Being stupid isn't an excuse.

The guy doesn't seem like a genius and he should go to jail for sure. Although again how did he bypass Shapiros hired 24/7 security and gates and cameras and get through the door?? That is the real mystery.

I'm just pointing out the difference between primary intent vs secondary intent. The primary intent of an arson is to damage property. The secondary intent may be to kill those inside. Not the the same as an assassination in which the primary intent is to kill someone.

There is a clear difference.

Thank God nobody got hurt and they arrested the dipshit though, to be clear. But let's not go crazy with the comparisons.

 

[F1980]

Sounds like he got mad because the state auctioned off his property

 

[Siver!]

The guy doesn't seem like a genius and he should go to jail for sure. Although again how did he bypass Shapiros hired 24/7 security and gates and cameras and get through the door?? That is the real mystery.

I'm just pointing out the difference between primary intent vs secondary intent. The primary intent of an arson is to damage property. The secondary intent may be to kill those inside. Not the the same as an assassination in which the primary intent is to kill someone.

There is a clear difference.

Thank God nobody got hurt and they arrested the dipshit though, to be clear. But let's not go crazy with the comparisons.

A better post, but you're all wrong on primary vs secondary.

You can kill people with fire.

You can fully intend to kill people with fire.

That can be your stated aim.

I don't know why you're assuming otherwise, to be honest. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that. This was targeted at a specific individual and their family along political or possibly religious lines. Nothing whatsoever suggests otherwise. There are way easier targets for a pyromaniac to indulge their lust for fire than a property inside a gated community

Pyromania is at the low end of reasons for an arson attack.

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Identifying Arson Motives | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

Types of arson motives identified are (1) pyromania, 10.1 percent; (2) revenge, 52.9 percent; (3) vandalism, 12.3 percent; (4) insurance fraud, 6.55 percent; (5) welfare fraud, 6.55 percent; (6) the psycho firesetter, 8.7 percent; and (7) crime concealment, 2.9 percent.

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Pyromaniacs are rare. This guy wasn't one. He was a loon.

 

[Confucamus]

Disgusting. I hope they make an example out of this guy. Attacks on a politician's home is never okay, I don't care which side of the political aisle is doing it. Every rational human being should be against this.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

All of a sudden....leftists think arson is bad.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The purpose of arson is literally to damage property.

No, it isn't.

Siver.... please provide an example of a convicted arsonist that never damaged property.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Siver!]

Siver.... please provide an example of a convicted arsonist that never damaged property.

Thanks in advance.

"The effect might always be to damage property, but that has nothing to do with purpose."

Effect and purpose are different.

You're asking a nonsense question.

If I want to murder my neighbour (purpose), I can set their house on fire. That murders the neighbour (purpose), and burns the house (effect). Asking me for an example of a murder by arson that didn't damage any property is illogical.

I'm assuming you, too, are trying to pretend deaths are always incidental in arson. They're not. Don't bother going down that route.

Property damage can certainly be incidental in murder.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I've seen some terrible takes on here but god damn lol

 

[GearSolidMetal]

"The effect might always be to damage property, but that has nothing to do with purpose."

Effect and purpose are different.

You're asking a nonsense question.

Sounds like higher-education bullshit meant to confuse, rather than educate.

I'm assuming you, too, are trying to pretend deaths are always incidental in arson. They're not. Don't bother going down that route.

You are 100% incorrect.
Unless the arsonist can prove he knew a residence was unoccupied before starting a blaze, it should be assumed he either knew it was occupied or was indifferent to if it was occupied, and should be charged with attempted murder and arson.

And yes, that includes this asshole who targeted Shapiro.
No chance this wasn't a targeted arson.
The arsonist wasn't setting random houses on fire.

Thats a big difference between the right and the left.
The left encourages threats and violence against their political enemies, whether its protesting infront of Supreme Court Justices Houses, Assassination Attempts, 'riots are the language of the unheard' and setting cars on fire so stock will drop.
The right encourages none of that. If you have a grievance settle it in court or at the ballot box, not with threats and intimidation.

 

[Xanzito]

Seems like a retard (with awful hair) that can spit fire.

This guy should get 1 count of arson, 1 of terrorism, and one for that awful hairline.

 

[PEB]

I would wait a bit on that.

More news photos from the nut job wishing death the Biden and his family from social media. But yeah a nutty lib WTH.

 

[Siver!]

You are 100% incorrect.
Unless the arsonist can prove he knew a residence was unoccupied before starting a blaze, it should be assumed he either knew it was occupied or was indifferent to if it was occupied, and should be charged with attempted murder and arson.

And yes, that includes this asshole who targeted Shapiro.
No chance this wasn't a targeted arson.
The arsonist wasn't setting random houses on fire.

Thats a big difference between the right and the left.
The left encourages threats and violence against their political enemies, whether its protesting infront of Supreme Court Justices Houses, Assassination Attempts, 'riots are the language of the unheard' and setting cars on fire so stock will drop.
The right encourages none of that. If you have a grievance settle it in court or at the ballot box, not with threats and intimidation.

He said "the purpose of arson is to damage property", I said "no it isn't" because the purpose of arson can be anything. It can be to murder someone, it can be to claim insurance, it can be protest, it can be any number of things, not just property damage.

You're now explaining to me that arson can involve murder and isn't just about property damage, and telling me I'm 100 % wrong by agreeing entirely with me.

LOL.

At no point did you decide to respond to @revoltub despite the fact that you just disagreed entirely with him, instead you decided to "disagree" with me despite agreeing entirely with everything I wrote.

Sherdog.

Ya gotta love it!

 

[koquerelle]

More news photos from the nut job wishing death the Biden and his family from social media. But yeah a nutty lib WTH.

I never said he was a lib. I said we should wait until we know more. Eat a bag of dicks.

 

[Andy Capp]

I never said he was a lib. I said we should wait until we know more. Eat a bag of dicks.

You're right to say so. I admit I jumped to an unwarranted conclusion about your comment.

Having said that, my initial reaction was also fuelled, in part, by the belief that since he's an individual, not part of some organization, it doesn't much matter what the motive was. A piece of shit is going to stink no matter what kind of paper you wipe it with.

According to this article, he already had a criminal history and lost his house to foreclosure. Like a lot of weak-minded people, he seems to blame others for his problems.

Arrest made in PA governor’s mansion arson; Gov. Josh Shapiro, family escape injury

At a press conference, Montco native and Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro said he is not afraid after a Harrisburg man is charged in arson attack.

www.phillyburbs.com

"Balmer has a court date in Dauphin County Common Pleas Court on April 16 on three misdemeanor counts of misdemeanor simple assault from a January 2023 incident, according to the public court docket.

He also pleaded guilty to felony charges of forgery and attempted theft by deception in 2016 and served 18 months of probation, according to the docket.

Online records show that his Canby Street home was in foreclosure last year and sold in September for $60,000."

 

[BlankaPresident]

What I learned from this thread is that the purpose of shooting someone in the chest is to damage his shirt.