Armbar problem

faxon

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recently ive had a problem with my armbar. my training partner, (who outweighs me by about 15 kilos (about 33 pounds)), always escapes my armbar by the spinning-out escape (same as Matt Serra's escape from Karo). What am i doing wrong? i'm squeezing my knees, my leg is over his face, I've even tried a technique i read here of putting my foot (on the leg that's covering his face) under his armpit on the far side. But still he just beasts out of it! Somebody help!
 
For an armbar on your training partner his right arm ...

Put your right foot under his armpit, try to lift the shoulder a bit, make sure you got that side locked with your foot/shin/leg.
Your left leg should be over his face. Then use your left heel/foot the move his head towards you, this will make it bit more uncomfortable for your training partner. Try to touch the heel of your left foot with the toes of your right and keep it locked.
Squeeze your knees together and lift your hip.

If he tries to roll out, keep your knees squeezed together and maintain the foot under his right armpit and the other against his neck and roll with him ...

remember: if his head/neck is already under pressure and he cannot set force on his shoulder / neck, it should be more difficult for him to roll out than it should be for you to keep him on his back.

Goddamn ... wish I could set this explanation in practice right now! ;-)

PS: Hope I was clear on the 'how to' ...
 
good advice above ... if he still rolls out hold his arm as tight as you can and roll over with him to the point where you're on your stomach with his arm under your body and pull up on it thats much harder to escape (do not let go of the arm)
 
i've seen gracies hook the leg or grab leg gi when perfecting their armbar position.
 
Don't let it bother you too much, even brown and black belts will swing for armbars on me sometimes and I escape, it does not mean that you are doing anything wrong, just that your partner is better at escaping it than you are at applying it, but I doubt your technique is bad.
 
You have to control the wrist....when ur falling back for the armlock take ur two hands and control his wrist....thumb up usually but u have to line up the elbow joint. Same things apply...squeeze the knees togeter....lift the hips.....drive your heels to the ground...just hte wrist control is what keeps the person from rolling.
 
madmonkey - i didnt find wrist control to have any effect at all , i use that rollout escape a lot and i also thought the counter would be wrist control but neither myself or my partner could counter it using wrist control.
 
Personally, I like to hook his closest leg. It neutralizes many escape attempts while I consolidate and eventually finish the armbar.
 
Don't have time to make a long post but hooking the nearest leg then while keeping it controlled get a grip on the arm works wonders.. Also if you are talking armbar from top have the leg that isn't over the body under the should with the toes pointing toward his head.
 
The common spin-out escape can be countered (I posted this in the armbar-feet uncrossed/crosses thread) as mentioned before by taking the foot of the leg you've got over his head and underhooking him under his armpit.

Even better, executing an armbar by pointing the thumb of his hand down to your feet and bridging into it at an angle will completely avoid that possibility. The way to do this is to pull on his elbow up with one hand towards his head as you have a grip on his wrist with the other hand before you fall back. This automatically ensures his hand turns over and the thumb is pointing down as you extend it.

Just have someone do the arm-bar this way and see if you can spin out:p
 
By spin out escape are you talking about when you're in an armbar and you hook their leg with your right arm (the one being attacked) and then use your left to lift up their leg by your face then walk to their side?
 
If you are across him like a 't' then it is easier for him. When you roll back with arm, roll back, down, beside his hips. He cant roll from there. Your head should be beside his hips or thighs.

Instead of his arm being out 90 degrees, it will be out at 45 degrees.
 
cool thanks guys, ill try all ur suggestions.
 
Yeah, grab the leg. Another thing you can do is cross your feet underneat this shoulder. Neil Adams, a judo champ with sick armlocks, does this. It keeps his shoulder from touching the ground so he can't bridge to roll. You can also take your arm that's on the side where his head is and grab his wrist and twist it towards his feet, which is the opposite direction of his turn.
 
Q mystic said:
Instead of his arm being out 90 degrees, it will be out at 45 degrees.

45 closer to the head right ? not to the hips?
 
parallax86 said:
45 closer to the head right ? not to the hips?



If you are across him like a 't' then it is easier for him. When you roll back with arm, roll back, down, beside his hips. He cant roll from there. Your head should be beside his hips or thighs.

Instead of his arm being out 90 degrees, it will be out at 45 degrees.
 
parallax86 said:
45 closer to the head right ? not to the hips?

Nope, to the hips. If it is to the head he'll roll easier. Trust me you will get used to it.
 
if it is to the hips tho his outer foot is better crossing the other, otherwise it is hooking thin air
 
Go for the omo plata. When he rolls push his hand down along your hip and triangle the leg for the omo plata. If he manages to roll out of it just keep control of the arm and scoot yourself into another armbar position. Etc etc.

Or if you
 
i was going to say go for the omoplata as well. you've also got some armbar options from the omoplata if he straightens his arm out. ive been fucking around with this recently.
 

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