Armbar improvement

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by thecas, Mar 19, 2008.

  1. thecas

    thecas Blue Belt

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    I have been taught the armbar only by 3purples and 1 near black belt and 1 Japanese Jujitsu black. The near black or brown bjj person mentionedsomething which I have so far not heard elsewhere nor seen on the internet.

    Basically, when you dothe mounted armbar, it may be better to lean to the side, more so the better as long as the hold is not compromised. The theory is that, even in the normal bridge, you have to lift up your body, that, is, enerygy or effort is used to lift up your body, not to mention his arm.

    However, when you are doing it from the side, you are only going against inertia and the friction against the floor. And as those who know physics, friction for many surfaces is only a fraction of weight.

    I wonder why this philosophy is not more common and wonder about the drawbacks.
     
  2. ShanghaiBJJ

    ShanghaiBJJ Brown Belt

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    What exactly do you mean?

    So when lying down with his arm extended (after the mounted armbar), it is better to lay on your own side (as in shoulder?) than on your back?

    That would be a bad idea.

    Either he is flat on the ground himself, which means you loose the corract angle to hurt him if you lay onto the side,

    or he is almost sitting up with you, which means he is halfway to escaping.
     
  3. Shaldag

    Shaldag Orange Belt

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    if you are referring to leaning the head towards the far hip that is the proper way to do an armbar.
     
  4. Gsoares2***

    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

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    Lean towards the head to break the grip, lean back towards the legs to finish the lock.

    If you continue to lean towards the head you assist in the opponents "hitchhiker" escape from the armlock.

    So yeah when your tryign to break the grip it helps to lean towards the head. But to finish the lock and avoid the escape.. lean back towards the legs.

    Your question is worded pretty bad.. but i think i answered it.
     
  5. Shaldag

    Shaldag Orange Belt

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    ok after rereading this, i'm more confused, i thought you meant leaning as you fall for the armlock im now guessing you mean finishing the armbar on your side rather than on your back?
    I think that would make your feet lighter and easier to escape, though it would increase the range you can arch your back to break the arm.
     
  6. BeRGLeZ

    BeRGLeZ Ramenbowl

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    'Ask instructor' isn't always apt. I once asked a BJJ purple its better to clench or relax your stomach under KnO B.He replied,tho not personally,fuck,I said already,just escape. He's kewl tho

    His signature is a fine example of nice wording!

    I think Gsoares2 answers it.. your talking about breaking grip right thecas...?
     
  7. thecas

    thecas Blue Belt

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    Rather,Shaldag has gottenit correct. The item of discussion here is, after breaking the grip and when you are going to finish the armbar, Leaning to one side may be better than to your back. The main idea is not about being able to arch back more to break the arm more even though this is valid, but rather that you expend less energy without having to lift your body as you would in a bridge.
    Theweight of your legs(And body if he tries to lift you up) are still on him, so how does this make his escape easier
     
  8. Gsoares2***

    Gsoares2*** Banned Banned

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    Your still essentialy going to be leaning to your back. Its a slight angle.. but pretty much its still on your back.

    The lifting of your hips is what makes the lock extreme enough to break. Im sure there are other ways you can lay, or do things to be different.. but the standard keeping tight on the arm, going back as your hips go up works the best..

    Why try to complicate things?
    Stay tight, stay close to the arm. Finish normal..

    Your not doing to find a way to spend less energy than something as efficient as an armlock.
     

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