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  1. StudentLoan Banned Banned

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    Hello everyone,

    First off, I'm a big fan of the rubber guard and the gogo is my go to move when I'm on the bottom. Anyway, I've been trying to improve my armbars as they're pretty weak. Most nights I get stacked and I roll them over onto their backs, at which point they escape or tap. However last night I tried the armbar and again I got stacked, instead of rolling him over though I turned back into him like I was going for guard. I kept the arm trapped and kept my leg over his head. As he came back down on top of me, he kind of just fell into the gogo to my surprise. I proceeded to swiftly choke him out and get the tap. Mind you I'm a whitey and I'm rolling with other whitey's but I wanted to know if anyone else has had success with this. I've never seen anyone do it and I don't claim to be the first, just looking for some input. Sorry if I didn't explain it well enough.
     
  2. Art Vandelay Latex Salesman

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    The gogo is your "go-to" move from the bottom? Really? Definitely interesting.
     
  3. J Storm** Banned Banned

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    u can transition from armbar to omaplata pretty easily. never tried the gogo tho, lol.
     
  4. ViceGrip Blue Belt

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    Wow.

    Tell me, how has your game worked out for you when rolling with High white and Blue belts?

    Also, mind if I ask what school you train at?
     
  5. StudentLoan Banned Banned

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    Art-
    I know it's pretty strange (for a whitey's go to move to be a gogo) but I've learned/trained rubber guard prior to joining my gym from Bravo's book with a friend who's a blue belt (at another gym). This is the first gym (Victory Fight Club in Toronto) I've joined and it's pretty new so they're covering all the basics during classes. I've just had a fascination for things that aren't very common and when I first saw the rubber guard and gogo I fell in love. If I'm not working for the gogo I'm usually just trying sweeps, not much else.

    J-
    What I'm saying is basically the same except you turn the other way like you're pulling guard but you keep the arm between your legs. At the very least he should fall back into rubber guard right away.

    Vice-
    First off my gym's new (it's only been open for 3 months, both our instructors are black belts under Shah Franco/Sylvio Behring, see above for the name) and they haven't addressed the rubber guard or even acknowledged it yet. So far the emphasis has been on their progressive guard/guard passing system. That being said there are 5 other white belts that are on par/better than myself and we have one three striped blue belt. With the other white belts I don't fare too well as far as my gogo's go but they don't dominate me either. I can usually get a few good sweeps per session and can hold side/mount for as long as I want to (some days I fare better than others). The blue is another story, he's got about 40 pounds and a couple of years on me and he kicks my ass all over the mat.

    So no one else has seen this? Does anyone really work on gogos/rubber guard?

    Thanks in advance for the feedback.
     
  6. Buckminster Yellow Belt

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    If your basic armbars from guard are weak, stop training the rubber guard.
     
  7. StudentLoan Banned Banned

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    Very good advice and I have actually been trying to improve my guard and left the rubber guard alone for a bit. However that wasn't really what I asked, so let me rephrase. When higher level guys escape armbars, is it common for them to go back into the guard if the guy on bottom abandons the armbar?

    I haven't seen a video of this but then again I haven't seen to many videos of people escaping armbars :S
     
  8. Teknical Itch Purple Belt

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    how could basic arm bars be so hard if you can do gogos

    I would really take time to learn the basic arm bars.
     
  9. SMillard Red Belt

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    ding ding ding....... this man just won a stuffed animal.

    Seriously, you should lay off playing RG for awhile and work on the "basics", you will be surprised how much better your RG game will be when you go back to it about a year or so later.
     
  10. Teknical Itch Purple Belt

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    on a note though since you like the rubber guard by no means stop like everyone else will tell you just make sure you take the time to learn everything.


    if your flexible enough you can put the forearm in the side of your opponents neck and use your momentum to rollroll to the oppisite side and turn your hips into a arm bar or shoulder lock.

    Im not the best to explain over a pc
     
  11. SMillard Red Belt

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    so learn the basics, BUT keep playing Rubber Guard. I'm sorry but in my opinion (mind you opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and most stink) for a beginner those things are going to be mutually exclusive.

    He is going to try to perform the basics....fail and switch back to RG where he is in his comfort zone.

    I think he would be better served following the curriculum of the class and work on his positioning. Unless he wants to be totally dependent on RG techniques, which there is a armbar techniques that can be done from RG if he so desires.

    Again that's my opinion........... and I'm sure some people will think it stinks.
     
  12. Jimmy Cerra Amateur Fighter

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    I like that combo. I find it is very similar to JJ Machado's armbar from failed armbar combo (second move in the video):

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    The armbar from the gogo is similar to this. When he stacks, you simply pivot and hook your "gogo" on his neck side, and armbar that trapped arm. Is the gogo from armbar the reverse of this?
     
  13. txfighter13 Purple Belt

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    Not really a high percentage play, but you could potentially catch someone with it. I would have something to go to after the go-go though.
     
  14. StudentLoan Banned Banned

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    Tek and S-
    While your advice is welcome, I think you both still missed the point of my original post. I was asking if anyone else had seen/done this before and how well they fare with it in higher level training (blue and up). I have been trying to improve my armbar and for the most part it's gotten better.

    Frodo-
    Thanks a bunch for that video, the failed armbar to armbar is so cool, can't wait to try this tonight! As for your question, I think you're right, it sounds like what I'm doing is the reverse of the gogo to armbar.

    Sorry if this is a bit confusing, I can't seem to find any videos.

    Edit: I hope this works, imagine the third move while stacked from the bottom, it kind of works better from the bottom as you don't need to create as much space with the leg going across the head/neck.

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  15. SLaKKJaW Blue Belt

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    I do it sometimes.

    I play RG sparingly, so I don't usually get this setup from RG.

    Just like you said, when you whip up for the armbar, the guy presses forward and stacks, you pretty much end up with either the gogo position (Shin across their throat, you flat on your back and about to be passed if you don't re-pull guard.) or the omoplata setup.

    Honestly, I prefer the omoplata from that position. It's a slightly higher % submission, but most of all, it usually leads to a sweep and a better position. And with them already in the forward motion of stacking, they're probably just going to pass once you roll with someone good. The omo lets you hip out and use their forward momentum.

    Gogos look cool, but unless you're actually pulling them off in big competitions and getting exposure, they're too much risk, too little reward.
     
  16. Davii Blue Belt

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    Most everyone already said this -

    but if you've been doing bjj for 3 months then listen to your blackbelt instructors. There's a reason why you havent learned (or maybe never will) the rubber guard.

    It's really not about tapping your opponent at 3 months in... you need to understand basics. They don't really care if you're tapping people (usually).

    As an aside, from my experience - you'll be promoted faster if you master what they teach you. If you're the best in the class at XYZ technique - you are bound to be promoted. It shows you are a good student and listen.

    Anyways, good luck
     
  17. whipyourasstyle Exitus acta probat

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    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!111!! :redface:

    sERIouSLY?!!?!?


    OK enough laughing at you.

    You should not attempt another gogo until you can do some of the basics. Armbars (both sides) - from guard, from the back with hooks, from mount ,from half guard, from under side control, from knee on belly near and far.

    How about triangles - from guard, from the back with hooks, from mount ,from half guard.

    What about sweeps - from guard - closed, open, spider, half, at least 3 different from each position.

    What about chokes - can you pull the basic chokes from the front headlock position. guillotine, anaconda, necktie, darce etc.

    What about linking basic subs and sweeps together - failed scissor sweep to armbar, armbar to omaplata, omaplata to triangle, triangle to armbar, pendulum to armbar, kimura to armbar from side control, etc



    LEARN THE BASICS!!!! DLR, X-guard, Rubber guard, and the newest you-tube submissions 101 videos are NOT THE BASICS. :redface:

    Having a guy with less than three years in start playing with marcelo's x-guard, or bravo's rubber guard is like having Neil deGrasse Tyson go to a 3rd graders classroom and teach about fractions.
     

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