Arm Triangle Q

[mesa]

So I realized the past day that i've been doing the arm triangle (from mount/sidemount) incorrectly all along, yet i've been getting taps all the time.

I've been locking (hand to bicep) on the OPPOSITE side of the choking arm of my opponent.

Just curious as to whether this matters. I'm fairly muscular, so I think the size of my arms might have something to do with getting the tap...but today i experimented with both and was getting taps with the same amount of pressure either way.

Anyways just want to know if i'm just compensating with strength, or if it's still a viable submission from the other side?

Thanks in advance.

 

[POPPA ROTZEE]

So I realized the past day that i've been doing the arm triangle (from mount/sidemount) incorrectly all along, yet i've been getting taps all the time.

I've been locking (hand to bicep) on the OPPOSITE side of the choking arm of my opponent.

Just curious as to whether this matters. I'm fairly muscular, so I think the size of my arms might have something to do with getting the tap...but today i experimented with both and was getting taps with the same amount of pressure either way.

Anyways just want to know if i'm just compensating with strength, or if it's still a viable submission from the other side?

Thanks in advance.

I'm trying to picture in my head what your talking about but I cant. Your doing what now? Trapping his wrong arm in relation to what side your body is?

 

[Rio_fightwear]

If you're getting the tap, go for it. Your size and build have a lot to do with what you can or can't pull off. If guys are tapping, go with it. As long as you are getting it on quality guys anyway.

 

[mesa]

I'm trying to picture in my head what your talking about but I cant. Your doing what now? Trapping his wrong arm in relation to what side your body is?

Sorry if i did a bad job explaining.

Everything is correct about the arm triangle, except for where i lock it in.

I'm on the correct side, ear to ear on his arm, however, it's my outside arm, going under his neck, and locking it on my bicep on the opposite side of his head from where my head is.

So if this a regular arm triangle looks like this: x | o where, "|" = his arm, "o" = his head, "x" where my hand meets my bicep...mine looks like this: | o x

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

Sounds like you're doing it wrong. Focus on doing it the correct way you were taught.

The question that must be asked

Who are you tapping with this, and what level are you at?

 

[mesa]

I've been training consistently for about 10 months. I'm one of the newest in my class, so anyone my level or above. My class consists of about half whites (4-5 of us) and about half blues/purples.

Yeah I have no problem switching it up and doing it the correct way now, just was wondering if it was still possible at a much higher level and maybe the rationale for why the lock has to be on the side of your head

 

[Art Vandelay]

I know what he's talking about. It's a brabo style arm-head triangle.

However, what is keeping the opponent from escaping his arm. In the normal arm triangle, it is your head which is blocking the opponent from limp arming his shoulder out of place in the choke. In this, I see nothing stopping escape.

 

[BCarr]

I'm with Art....I think the escape would be pretty easy from there. However, at your level, if you're getting the tap, that's great. Go with it and learn from it.

One word of warning, though. When you get into tournaments, you'll need to do it the correct way to actually get the choke pressure. The way you're doing it now, I can only imagine that your classmates are tapping due to the pressure on the back of the neck (neck crank). If you go into a tournament, you will most likely be disqualified for that hold at your level.

 

[Art Vandelay]

The way I have set up a similar choke is:

I am in side control and the opponent is not being smart and checking my hip with his inside arm, but is framing on my face or just doing something ridiculous.

I giftwrap the inside arm with my high arm.

I place my head on the inside, on the mat by his shoulder, with my should pressuring his shoulder and gift wrapped arm.

I then advance my low arm towards the giftwrap, release the giftwrap, and take the choke grip with my hand in bicep.

To finish I squeeze my forearm blade into the neck, and reach with my choke hand across across to my opposite shoulder.

I do not feel it is a strong attack, and the opponent is relatively free to hip out on his side and negate the choke and attack the back/come to his knees.

I've played with an advance to neon belly, but I'm not having much luck.

I do go for this exact my arm, his arm, his head arm triangle from the back often with "great success."