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When is the fucking kraken getting released??? I can only hold a mental election for so long.

The Kraken is getting its ass handed to it for bringing forth frivolous lawsuits. This is the real legal story that is unfolding in Michigan. Seven lawyers are currently in court where a judge is to determine if sanctions (loss of legal license) are to be brought forth due to the frivolous lawsuits. The 7 lawyers, including Lin Wood are distancing themselves from the sworn affidavits or their role in the level of due diligence performed before bringing the lawsuits to court. One lawyer, Julia Haller, wept in court during the judge's remarks.

@cottagecheesefan I am shocked! Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? Certainly not you. You placed so much faith into these sworn affidavits and now they are going to get some of these lawyers to lose their ability to practice law. Where is DJT in all of this? Still pushing the Big Lie and you are eating up every steaming pile of shit. First Rudy and now the rest. There are consequences and it appears that Powell and Wood do not think they are subject to them. Sounds like entitlement to me.

@panamaican @Darkballs @Lord Coke From a legal perspective, this is a pretty big deal I presume? This isn't something that normally happens in court?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/lawyers-pro-trump-suit-499252
Lawyers retreat from pro-Trump election suit

At a hearing on possible sanctions over the Michigan case, some attorneys downplayed their roles.

The legal reckoning for attorneys who pushed former President Donald Trump’s spurious claims of election fraud advanced on Monday, with a federal court in Detroit holding a hearing on whether to impose sanctions over a suit filed last year seeking to decertify Joe Biden’s victory in Michigan and declare Trump the winner.

Two of the most prominent attorneys in the pro-Trump camp — Dallas-based Sidney Powell and Atlanta-based L. Lin Wood — are among the lawyers who brought the unsuccessful suit and whose conduct is under scrutiny by U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker.

Another pair of attorneys facing possible sanctions in the case, Emily Newman and Julia Haller, served in a variety of Trump administration posts but appear to have left government late last year to aid Powell in the post-election litigation.

Parker’s tone during the hearing — which stretched to more than six hours — indicated that at least some of the lawyers involved in filing and pursuing the suit were likely to face sanctions from the court, although she did not say what kind of punishment she was mulling.


As the hearing opened Monday via videoconference, several lawyers sought to minimize their roles in the litigation. While Wood was listed as one of seven attorneys on the first iteration of the suit last November, he stressed to the judge that he wasn’t involved in preparing it.

“I played absolutely no role in the drafting of the complaint, just to be clear,” Wood told Parker. “I did not review any of the documents with respect to the complaint. My name was placed on there, but I had no involvement.”

Parker asked Wood directly whether he’d given permission for his name to be placed on the suit.

“I do not specifically recall being asked about the Michigan complaint, but I had generally indicated to Sidney Powell that if she needed a quote-unquote trial lawyer, I would certainly be willing or available to help her,” Wood said. “Would I have objected to being included by name? I don’t believe so.”

Under questioning from the judge, Powell said she believed she did get Wood’s consent to put his name on the suit. “I can’t imagine I would ever put his name on any pleading without understanding that he had given me permission to do that,” she said. “Might there have been a misunderstanding? It’s certainly possible.”

A lawyer for Newman, who worked in the Trump White House, the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Agency for Global Media, also distanced her from the Michigan litigation.

“My client was a contract lawyer working from home who spent maybe five hours on this matter,” said Thomas Buchanan. “She wasn’t really involved. … Her role is de minimis.”

While Powell and other lawyers were on the Zoom hearing, she dropped off the screen for a time, drawing a mild rebuke from the judge.

“Would you maintain the camera, Ms. Powell, please? I’d like to have everyone here,” Parker said.

Powell insisted the volume of the suit they filed last November was testament to the extent of research and investigation the attorneys did.

“We filed a massive and detailed complaint in federal court that doesn’t even require us to append affidavits to it,” Powell said. “The very fact we filed 960 pages of affidavits with the complaint shows due diligence on our part. … The only way to test that is in the crucible of a trial or an evidentiary hearing,” she added, noting that the judge had thus far denied such a hearing.

“Volume, certainly for this court, doesn’t equate with legitimacy or veracity,” Parker shot back.

The City of Detroit, which intervened as a defendant in the suit to defend the election results, triggered the sanctions process about six months ago by complaining that the case was frivolous and littered with untruths. The city’s motions asked Parker to impose monetary penalties on the lawyers in the case, to require them to pay the attorneys’ fees of the city and other defendants in the case, and to refer the lawyers for potential disbarment proceedings.

An attorney for the city, David Fink, said the initial filing in the case was garbled and unprofessional.

“What they filed in the first complaint in this case was an embarrassment to the legal profession,” Fink said. “It was sloppy. It was unreadable and it was mocked.”

In a motion last December urging punishment of Powell, Wood and others, the city’s legal team wrote: “If sanctions are not deserved in this case, it is hard to imagine a case where they would be.”

“In a case involving the election of the President of the United States, the parties and their attorneys should be held to the highest standards of factual and legal due diligence; instead, they have raised false allegations and pursued unsupportable legal theories,” the city argued. “It is time for this Court to send a message back: lies and frivolous claims will not be tolerated. This abuse of our legal system deserves the strongest possible sanctions.”

“Objectively, seriously?” he said. “The word ‘perplexed’ is what you think is worth the time and effort of all the staff and lawyers … in this proceeding?”

“I would caution you to — do not question my procedure,” Parker said.

“I am not a potted plant. I will represent my client,” Campbell declared.

As the hearing passed the six-hour mark, Powell and Wood also pointedly questioned Parker’s fairness.

“I have practiced law for 43 years and have never witnessed a proceeding like this,” Powell said. “I take full responsibility myself for the pleadings in this case. … We have practiced law with the highest standards. We would file these same complaints again.”

After Parker at one point denied Wood the chance to respond to criticism of him for calling for martial law, Wood grumbled: “I think the record shows what’s going on.”

Wood later posted a message on the social media site Telegram decrying the court session. “I thought I was attending a hearing in Venezuela or Communist China,“ he wrote. He also included a link to another user‘s posting of video from the hearing. Audio or video recording of court sessions, even those streamed on the internet, is against court rules.

The State of Michigan, Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, the Democratic National Committee and the Michigan Democratic Party, who were all involved in the case, are also backing the effort to punish the pro-Trump attorneys involved in the suit.

Fink said the misstatements in the court filings, like a claim that 139 percent of registered voters in Detroit cast ballots, had grave consequences. The correct turnout number reported by the city is just under 51 percent.

“These lies were put out into the world, and when they were put out into the world they were adopted and received by” influential people such as Trump, Fink said. He said that when Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to pressure him to flip the election to favor Trump, the president brought up the Detroit numbers.

Last December, Parker rejected the temporary restraining order the suit sought to decertify the presidential election. The case was formally dismissed in mid-January. At Monday’s hearing, Parker sparred with Donald Campbell, an attorney representing most of the pro-Trump lawyers involved, and with Howard Kleinhendler, one of those lawyers.

The judge continued to sound deeply skeptical about the pro-Trump lawyers’ case, referring to some of the witnesses they relied upon as “purported experts” and arguing that their filings contained obvious flaws.

“The court is concerned that these affidavits were submitted in bad faith,” Parker said. “The question is: Is there anything there on the face of these submissions that would give counsel pause?”

Haller suggested Parker seemed to be demanding a level of scrutiny not customarily required of lawyers relaying witness accounts to the court. “I simply am confused as to the standard that is being applied when it comes to submitting a complaint,” she said. “We did not submit falsehoods.”

One particularly prickly exchange came after the judge questioned an affidavit submitted in the case from a witness who said he was “perplexed” at the handling of ballots at the TCF Center in Detroit. Campbell sounded taken aback.

“President Trump explicitly referenced the 139 percent voting statistic in Detroit as though it were fact,” Fink said. “These are the consequences. It’s the consequence of how they abused this system.”

Fink also said the storming of the Capitol on Jan. 6, as Congress was preparing to certify the electoral vote, was largely fueled by falsehoods generated in the Michigan case.

“That insurrection can be directly linked to the lies that were spread by the attorneys in this litigation,” Fink argued. “We can’t undo what happened on Jan. 6, but this court can do something to let the world know that attorneys in this country are not free to use the courts to tell lies.”

In a court filing earlier this year, a lawyer representing Powell, Wood and the others who brought the case on behalf of would-be Trump electors called the motion for sanctions “baseless” and “procedurally improper.”

Lawyer Stefanie Lambert Junttila called the drive “an attempt to create a dangerous precedent that could dissuade future civil rights and voting rights plaintiffs from bringing their disputes to court.”

Some of the responses by the Powell-Wood team to the request for sanctions were as pugilistic as their actions in the aftermath of the election. In response to claims that the pro-Trump lawyers lied in their court submissions, Junttila fumed: “If this were simply the ranting of a third-rate five-man Detroit law firm, we would dismiss this behavior as pathetic unprofessionalism. But these are the dirty media-attention-hungry, slanderous and completely out-of-bounds statements by representatives of the City of Detroit.”

Parker, an appointee of President Barack Obama, ordered last month that every attorney whose name appeared in any filing by the plaintiffs in the case “be present” at the hearing, eventually scheduled for Monday. However, last week, Powell, Wood and five other lawyers asked to appear solely through other lawyers retained to represent them.

Parker rejected that request without explanation, but did indicate that the pro-Trump attorneys could attend the hearing “virtually.” She issued no ruling at Monday’s hearing and gave the various lawyers involved two weeks to present further written arguments to the court.

Fallout from the dozens of post-election lawsuits continues in other courts and legal venues, resulting in major professional headaches for many of the lawyers involved.

In February, the Georgia State Bar sent Wood a 1,600-plus-page complaint proposing bar discipline against him. Many of the instances of alleged misconduct that were cited stemmed from the flurry of election-related suits, including the one in Michigan. Wood filed an unsuccessful suit against the bar over the process, but is continuing to fight the effort to punish him.

And last month, a court in New York suspended outspoken Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani from practicing law in that state as a result of his statements in connection with election-related litigation. Last week, a court in the District of Columbia made a parallel move to suspend Giuliani’s bar license in the city until the disciplinary proceedings in New York were resolved. Giuliani has defended his conduct and said he plans to contest the New York suspension at a hearing.

In addition, a federal judge in Colorado is set to hold a hearing on Friday on another motion for sanctions over a suit that other pro-Trump lawyers filed in December seeking $160 billion in damages from voting machine manufacturer Dominion Systems.
 
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The Kraken is getting its ass handed to it for bringing forth frivolous lawsuits. This is the real legal story that is unfolding in Michigan. Seven lawyers are currently in court where a judge is to determine if sanctions (loss of legal license) are to be brought forth due to the frivolous lawsuits. The 9 lawyers, including Lin Wood are distancing themselves from the sworn affidavits or their role in the level of due diligence performed before bringing the lawsuits to court. One lawyer, Julia Haller, wept in court during the judge's remarks.

@cottagecheesefan I am shocked! Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? Certainly not you. You placed so much faith into these sworn affidavits and now they are going to get some of these lawyers to lose their ability to practice law. Where is DJT in all of this? Still pushing the Big Lie and you are eating up every steaming pile of shit. First Rudy and now the rest. There are consequences and it appears that Powell and Wood do not think they are subject to them. Sounds like entitlement to me.

@panamaican @Darkballs @Lord Coke From a legal perspective, this is a pretty big deal I presume? This isn't something that normally happens in court?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/lawyers-pro-trump-suit-499252


Sanctions does not mean losing your license. It means the court punishes you somehow. Maybe it makes you pay money for wasting its time.
Maybe it makes you take classes to study the law because you wasted its time. The only thing that can take your license is the state bar sine that is who issues your license. However a severe sanction can lead to disbarment, That will not happen here.

Its a big deal for the lawyers. It does not happen a lot but it does happen. I see it happen regularly when a lawyer misses a court hearing without a reason. This is the rule and the standard below

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_11
 
The Kraken is getting its ass handed to it for bringing forth frivolous lawsuits. This is the real legal story that is unfolding in Michigan. Seven lawyers are currently in court where a judge is to determine if sanctions (loss of legal license) are to be brought forth due to the frivolous lawsuits. The 9 lawyers, including Lin Wood are distancing themselves from the sworn affidavits or their role in the level of due diligence performed before bringing the lawsuits to court. One lawyer, Julia Haller, wept in court during the judge's remarks.

@cottagecheesefan I am shocked! Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? Certainly not you. You placed so much faith into these sworn affidavits and now they are going to get some of these lawyers to lose their ability to practice law. Where is DJT in all of this? Still pushing the Big Lie and you are eating up every steaming pile of shit. First Rudy and now the rest. There are consequences and it appears that Powell and Wood do not think they are subject to them. Sounds like entitlement to me.

@panamaican @Darkballs @Lord Coke From a legal perspective, this is a pretty big deal I presume? This isn't something that normally happens in court?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/lawyers-pro-trump-suit-499252

Sounds like a case of the reverse kraken. Good, these people need a dose of reality at some point.
 
When is the fucking kraken getting released??? I can only hold a mental election for so long.

Any day now. It just won't be today! Be sure to get your donations in to the Save America Team. Fat Donny's got a country to save.
 
The Kraken is getting its ass handed to it for bringing forth frivolous lawsuits. This is the real legal story that is unfolding in Michigan. Seven lawyers are currently in court where a judge is to determine if sanctions (loss of legal license) are to be brought forth due to the frivolous lawsuits. The 7 lawyers, including Lin Wood are distancing themselves from the sworn affidavits or their role in the level of due diligence performed before bringing the lawsuits to court. One lawyer, Julia Haller, wept in court during the judge's remarks.

@cottagecheesefan I am shocked! Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? Certainly not you. You placed so much faith into these sworn affidavits and now they are going to get some of these lawyers to lose their ability to practice law. Where is DJT in all of this? Still pushing the Big Lie and you are eating up every steaming pile of shit. First Rudy and now the rest. There are consequences and it appears that Powell and Wood do not think they are subject to them. Sounds like entitlement to me.

@panamaican @Darkballs @Lord Coke From a legal perspective, this is a pretty big deal I presume? This isn't something that normally happens in court?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/lawyers-pro-trump-suit-499252

Lin Wood Blames Trump Lawyer Sidney Powell for Dragging Him Into Election Fraud Case

https://www.newsweek.com/lin-wood-b...well-dragging-him-election-fraud-case-1608913

Attorney Lin Wood is blaming one of former President Donald Trump's attorneys, Sidney Powell, for why his name appeared on a lawsuit challenging the results of the 2016 election that could result in financial sanctions for the attorneys.

Michigan officials are asking a judge to levy financial or other consequences against the attorneys, arguing that they sowed distrust in the electoral process. The Trump team previously attempted to distance itself from Powell and never formally acknowledged Wood's involvement in the lawsuit, and on Monday, he tried to convince the judge he wasn't really a player in the case.

Wood told U.S. District Judge Linda Parker he didn't help draft the complaint and that he had "no involvement whatsoever," according to Jan Wolfe, a journalist covering legal affairs for Reuters. When asked if Powell had his permission to put his name on the case, he said he told her in general terms that he was available to help her with the election cases.

"For whatever reason, whoever filed the complaint put my name on there," Wood said. "I didn't have any specific involvement."


gotta love it. "It wasn't me! It was the one armed bandit! It's everybody elses fault, don't punish me!"
 
you gotta love these nutbags sometimes

Mike Lindell yells at reporter for 'destroying the country' during CPAC confrontation

https://www.rawstory.com/mike-lindell-zachary-petrizzo/

MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell accused Salon correspondent Zachary Petrizzo of "destroying the country" during a confrontation at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Sunday.

Video of the incident was broadcast on Lindell's FrankSpeech.com website.

After accusing Petrizzo of appearing to have a "sarcastic look" on his face, Lindell repeated his claims the Supreme Court would overturn the 2020 presidential election after his so-called cyber symposium concludes on Aug. 12.

"I'm going to tell you something and I'm going to tell everybody, in our country's history, every single election official, if there's fraud involved, there's not a statute of limitations," Lindell insisted. "They take the guy that won and they put him back in office and it's just never happened at the presidential level."

"The Supreme Court will vote 9-0 to pull this down," he added. "And you can sit here and go, 'Come on, Mike.' You know what? I'm just telling you what's going to happen."

Lindell continued shouting at the reporter as the show's host was scheduled to interview Ben Carson.

The MyPillow CEO could be heard telling Petrizzo he was trying to destroy the country.


i guess nobody has told the crackhead pillow salesman that the SCOTUS is on recess until the first week of October.
 
Lin Wood Blames Trump Lawyer Sidney Powell for Dragging Him Into Election Fraud Case

https://www.newsweek.com/lin-wood-b...well-dragging-him-election-fraud-case-1608913

Attorney Lin Wood is blaming one of former President Donald Trump's attorneys, Sidney Powell, for why his name appeared on a lawsuit challenging the results of the 2016 election that could result in financial sanctions for the attorneys.

Michigan officials are asking a judge to levy financial or other consequences against the attorneys, arguing that they sowed distrust in the electoral process. The Trump team previously attempted to distance itself from Powell and never formally acknowledged Wood's involvement in the lawsuit, and on Monday, he tried to convince the judge he wasn't really a player in the case.

Wood told U.S. District Judge Linda Parker he didn't help draft the complaint and that he had "no involvement whatsoever," according to Jan Wolfe, a journalist covering legal affairs for Reuters. When asked if Powell had his permission to put his name on the case, he said he told her in general terms that he was available to help her with the election cases.

"For whatever reason, whoever filed the complaint put my name on there," Wood said. "I didn't have any specific involvement."


gotta love it. "It wasn't me! It was the one armed bandit! It's everybody elses fault, don't punish me!"

He's going to have a hard time explaining away his public comments from his role in all of these suits.
 
‘It will be the talk of the world’: MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell gives exact date for Trump’s return to White House in bizarre conspiracy

Draw a circle around Friday, 13 August

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rump-mypillow-conspiracy-theory-b1879276.html



alright fellas. we've finally got a date for which citizen trump will be constitutionally reinstated as president, in a unanimous 9-0 supreme court ruling! Friday August 13'th. Mark it down on your calender boys!
 
The Kraken is getting its ass handed to it for bringing forth frivolous lawsuits. This is the real legal story that is unfolding in Michigan. Seven lawyers are currently in court where a judge is to determine if sanctions (loss of legal license) are to be brought forth due to the frivolous lawsuits. The 7 lawyers, including Lin Wood are distancing themselves from the sworn affidavits or their role in the level of due diligence performed before bringing the lawsuits to court. One lawyer, Julia Haller, wept in court during the judge's remarks.

@cottagecheesefan I am shocked! Who would have ever guessed this would be the outcome? Certainly not you. You placed so much faith into these sworn affidavits and now they are going to get some of these lawyers to lose their ability to practice law. Where is DJT in all of this? Still pushing the Big Lie and you are eating up every steaming pile of shit. First Rudy and now the rest. There are consequences and it appears that Powell and Wood do not think they are subject to them. Sounds like entitlement to me.

@panamaican @Darkballs @Lord Coke From a legal perspective, this is a pretty big deal I presume? This isn't something that normally happens in court?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/lawyers-pro-trump-suit-499252

I have been saying for months that the MI AG has been threatening them, which is why there won't be an audit there for at least a few months. So I did kind of guess it. Derp.

edit: and again, just like with sweet Sidney, she is using legal language to cover herself.
 
He's going to have a hard time explaining away his public comments from his role in all of these suits.

he can say whatever he wants. he's not impressing any judge. he's getting sanctioned in a few weeks, along with the rest of those crackpots.
 
I have been saying for months that the MI AG has been threatening them, which is why there won't be an audit there for at least a few months. So I did kind of guess it. Derp.

any month now. it just won't be this month! get your donations in. diaper don has got a country to save!
 
I have been saying for months that the MI AG has been threatening them, which is why there won't be an audit there for at least a few months. So I did kind of guess it. Derp.

This is a direct rebuke of your "facts". You can't ignore this as some kind of weird anomaly. How you can go "well, yeah" and then continue with the election was Stolen Bullshit is so kind of weird next-tier delusional response.

You jumped up and down about the Affidavits as some kind of smoking gun that is now going to cost the lawyers who brought them to court. If the evidence you present to court about fraud in the election is fraud you are a fraud. Wake the fuck up.
 
This is a direct rebuke of your "facts". You can't ignore this as some kind of weird anomaly. How you can go "well, yeah" and then continue with the election was Stolen Bullshit is so kind of weird next-tier delusional response.

You jumped up and down about the Affidavits as some kind of smoking gun that is now going to cost the lawyers who brought them to court. If the evidence you present to court about fraud in the election is fraud you are a fraud. Wake the fuck up.

they will never wake up. we're already over 250, but pretty soon we're gonna surpass 500 days since the election, with zero allegations of any kind of fraud ever being made in any court in the land, and still these maga muppets will be sitting in their fairy tale funhouse performing their verbal fellatio on their beloved cheeto benito, while touting more of their election fraud fantasies and wackadoodle conspiracy theories that will never ever be proven in court.

they would rather live in fantasy land rather than to ever accept the fact that their dear cult hero lost the election, or even lost in a friendly game of checkers. i know it seems awkward to you, and everybody else in the world who doesnt wear a red hat and worship an orange god, but this really is how they cope. they will never be able to get over it for as long as they live. never ever. but in their own little world, it's everybody else who is deranged and delusional, so they will continue to stamp their feet and scream fake news or TDS at everything they dont like, while they spend the next few years crying about unproven election fraud conspiracy theories.
 
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I don't really want to distract from the regularly scheduled sadness in here, and I know the pillow guy is not a legal scholar so it's hardly surprising, but fraud absolutely has a statute of limitations. I think all this shit is starting to drive him back to the pipe
 
This is a direct rebuke of your "facts". You can't ignore this as some kind of weird anomaly. How you can go "well, yeah" and then continue with the election was Stolen Bullshit is so kind of weird next-tier delusional response.

You jumped up and down about the Affidavits as some kind of smoking gun that is now going to cost the lawyers who brought them to court. If the evidence you present to court about fraud in the election is fraud you are a fraud. Wake the fuck up.

how is this a rebuke of my facts? Even from your article, Powell says:

"Powell insisted the volume of the suit they filed last November was testament to the extent of research and investigation the attorneys did.

“We filed a massive and detailed complaint in federal court that doesn’t even require us to append affidavits to it,” Powell said. “The very fact we filed 960 pages of affidavits with the complaint shows due diligence on our part. … The only way to test that is in the crucible of a trial or an evidentiary hearing,” she added, noting that the judge had thus far denied such a hearing."

So she feels the affidavits as legit and need to be brought to an evidentiary hearing.

I have said because of the system in MI, Democrat AG and SOS threatening weak republicans and lawyers, etc, they were not given that type of hearing and allowed discovery or any type of audit of the ballots, which would confirm the affidavits.

edit: and this coincides with what I have said in other threads about Sidney Powell's legal defense, as well as the thread about MI oversight committee's report.
 
sidney powells legal defense lol. which basically spells out "if you believe anything i say, than youre a fucking idiot."

get a load of this guy. he's really getting taken for a ride. i wonder how much money they've already played him for?
 
how is this a rebuke of my facts? Even from your article, Powell says:

"Powell insisted the volume of the suit they filed last November was testament to the extent of research and investigation the attorneys did.

“We filed a massive and detailed complaint in federal court that doesn’t even require us to append affidavits to it,” Powell said. “The very fact we filed 960 pages of affidavits with the complaint shows due diligence on our part. … The only way to test that is in the crucible of a trial or an evidentiary hearing,” she added, noting that the judge had thus far denied such a hearing."

So she feels the affidavits as legit and need to be brought to an evidentiary hearing.

I have said because of the system in MI, Democrat AG and SOS threatening weak republicans and lawyers, etc, they were not given that type of hearing and allowed discovery or any type of audit of the ballots, which would confirm the affidavits.

edit: and this coincides with what I have said in other threads about Sidney Powell's legal defense, as well as the thread about MI oversight committee's report.

I'm just curious if you can give me some insight on your tribes feelings and opinions here... at what point are you guys going to give this up ? How much is this costing and who's paying ? Is it getting through to any of you guys that what you think reality is and what is actually happening are not matching up ? Do you guys ever feel embarrassed ? And lastly do you really think Donald Trump is going to be president again or is this just a fun game for you guys ?
 
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