Economy Argentina just suffered the 2nd-biggest crash since 1950 for any stock market

But you are going to have a hard time convincing me that a crash this big happened because a bunch of individuals pulled out based on speculation, and no facts.

Argentinian government has a long history with currency crisis, after the 3rd time you lose your life savings because government traded you monopoly money for a hard currency eventually the citizens and private investors will realize its a fucking scam.

Again, these people campaigned on defaulting debt, they claim that owning dollars should be illegal and that you can get out of a debt crisis by printing money.
 
Privatisation and deregulation are neoliberal policies by definition.
A "gradualism" approach doesn't change that.

-This crisis wasnt caused by privatization of anything.

-Argentina is one of the most "regulated" countries in the hemisphere it ranks 110 out of 190 in terms of ease of starting a business according to the World Bank.

Liberalized Latam markets like Mexico and Chile rank 54 and 56 respectively.
 
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-This crisis wasnt caused by privatization of anything.

-Argentina is one of the most "regulated" countries in the hemisphere it ranks 110 out of 190 in terms of ease of starting a business according to the World Bank.

Liberalized markets like Mexico and Chile rank 54 and 56 respectively.

As I understand it Macri's plan was neoliberal reform done slowly.
It didn't work.
Menem and De La Rua tried it fast. That didn't work out either.
 
As I understand it Macri's plan was neoliberal reform done slowly.
It didn't work.
Menem and De La Rua tried it fast. That didn't work out either.

1.- So slowly that it never materialized.

2.- Borrowing money from the IMF to subsidize the sale of US dollars isnt in any "neoliberal" book i have seen.
 
Oh jesus fucking christ...
If you've lived in Argentina, and have friends and family there and see how bad the poverty, job lost and inflation on basic goods is, and how bad they get fucked over time and time again... It puts things in perspective guy. Eat a fucking dick.
 
For some context, their stock market is incredibly volatile and had run up over 50% in the past 6 months alone. It is still better off than it was years ago and bounced back 12% the next day.
 
Well, Democrat supporter and famed investor Warren Buffet has commented that while he agree with Bernie Sander's position on some topics, with some of his other ideas he fears his win could essentially kill the golden goose, golden goose meaning the US economy.

That interview can be seen here:

 
This is crazy, i was just recommending Argentina to a friend as a vacation option.
it should be cheap right now going there because of their crazy devaluation that is making the argentinian peso worth shit.

 
Argentinian here... let me clarify some things. You can ask me anything you want.

- First of all you guys need to understand that here is a different world when you talk about economics. Most of "rules" don't apply here.

- In the 2015 election both Macri (winner) and Scioli (peronist, from the Kirchners party) were the same. The only difference between them it was the speech but the economic teams of both were virtually identical: Really conservative.

- The Kirchners, while having left-oriented speeches was always fine with most of the international capital. The only times they weren't it was because the pie was not big enough and they could not feed everybody. But it is a full capitalist government.
People talk about socialism and is laughable. They bring the YPF nationalization but that was a rescue over Repsol more than anything else.. idiots clapped their hands in what was one of the biggest scams in our history disguised as a nationalistic decision.

- Macri and his whole team have zero idea on what they are doing or they just really don't care (I go with the second). They won over a platform of reducing the state deficit but not only they didn't do that but they made it worse.
They lowered taxes for agriculture exporters (friends of them) and a bunch of other concentrated sectors and they tried to compensate by raising taxes to the worker class.
They promised to cut state expenses and they failed at it.

- The deficit was so big that they had to got to the IMF to ask for money that we are in no condition to pay back. The next president party (Alberto Fernandez) issued an statement basically saying to Macri and the IMF "you fucked it up, you fix it". There were talks of bringing forward the final elections but Fernandez wanted nothing to do with that because it is better for them if Macri has to deal with the current situation by himself.
Sort of what happened in 2001 with De La Rua -> Duhalde -> Kirchner. you take a country in flames which has already done the heavy work (devaluation, cuts on social plans, etc) and look like a hero afterwards.

- The international investment here is basically a bunch of vultures that come here, force a devaluation, get incredible interest rates and leave a couple of months later.
The national industry is non existent.

- The other economic sector that gets the benefit of constant devaluations is the agricultre which is very concentrated and produce a lot for few. They are some of the worst crooks in this country. They overthrown governments, they put an insane amount of pressure on the exchange rate, they violate every single labor law we have here (they are the kings on unregistered labor and misery salaries), etc.

- On the other hand the working class is getting poorer by the day. The internal market has been destroyed.


I expect Fernandez winning the election in october easily. They will make a few adjustments and the internal economy will grow a little bit. People will have a few more bucks to spend and everything is going to be fine until it isn't again.. and we start all of this all over again.
 
it should be cheap right now going there because of their crazy devaluation that is making the argentinian peso worth shit.


Oh yes.. but our inflation is going to catch up with the devaluation soon enough. Nowadays I think it is at least 60% (anual).

Once everything is back to normal.. we devaluate again. Business as usual (for a few...)
 
A massively historically violtile market crashed due to speculation of a left wing nut taking over and started rebounding the next day.

Damn right the market will immediately dip or plunge under Bernie. Why would investors trust the market futures with him as potus?
 
So the price of Argentinian Escorts is at an all time low.
People say economics can’t be fun but look at what you can do with a strong dollar.

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A massively historically violtile market crashed due to speculation of a left wing nut taking over and started rebounding the next day.

Damn right the market will immediately dip or plunge under Bernie. Why would investors trust the market futures with him as potus?
Who would exactly be the "left" here?
 
They lowered taxes for agriculture exporters (friends of them) and a bunch of other concentrated sectors and they tried to compensate by raising taxes to the worker class.

You guys tax your own exporters and then wonder why you have negative trade balance sheet?
 
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