Are we entering a new era of anti-wrestling?

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First we got Volk vs Islam, and now Leon vs Usman. Volk lost, Leon won, but they both found great success in countering takedowns from opponents that mostly had been steamrolling their opposition without much resistance. Granted, Volk and Leon just happen to be highly skilled champs, but it was special nonetheless.

Historically we’ve had certain techniques being introduced at certain points that fundamentally changed the landscape. Something felt special when watching Leon negate Usmans TD-attempts, enough to make me feel that we are at the beginning of a new stylistic era, one where clinch heavy wrestling (especially against the fence) is thwarted by new techniques and gameplanning.

What say you, sherbros?
 
Porier should get with Volks camp if he gonna fight Islam

Volk found the right training to compete
 
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I think it's a bit misleading to label it anti-wrestling since both of the guys you mentioned don't shy away from grappling or wrestling at all, they're very versatile and adapt to their opponents.
tehMoose said:
Corey went 0-15 on TDs against Nemkov
Storley went 0-13 on TDs against Amosov

Maybe. And both are excellent wrestlers
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Even with these two examples you're talking about two guys with Sambo backgrounds who, again, just happened to adapt to the task at hand when it came to an opponent.

Having said that, we've got to wait until we see other people, preferably those who aren't championship level fighters, putting forth similar performances.
 
Filthy Phil said:
First we got Volk vs Islam, and now Leon vs Usman. Volk lost, Leon won, but they both found great success in countering takedowns from opponents that mostly had been steamrolling their opposition without much resistance. Granted, Volk and Leon just happen to be highly skilled champs, but it was special nonetheless.

Historically we’ve had certain techniques being introduced at certain points that fundamentally changed the landscape. Something felt special when watching Leon negate Usmans TD-attempts, enough to make me feel that we are at the beginning of a new stylistic era, one where clinch heavy wrestling (especially against the fence) is thwarted by new techniques and gameplanning.

What say you, sherbros?
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Its interesting that you mention Volk vs. Islam as evidence for your point yet every other opponent he's faced has been ragdolled. The exception does not make the rule.
 
There's nothing new about it. There's been great defensive wrestlers for decades. It's just that many of these highly praised takedown artists are usually facing guys who don't have the skill set to give them resistance. What you saw with islam vs. volk and Usman vs. Leon was two dominant wrestlers finally fighting guys who actually knew what they were doing defensively.
 
Filthy Phil said:
Are we entering a new era of anti-wrestling?
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Well, even if you can
Filthy Phil said:
First we got Volk vs Islam, and now Leon vs Usman. Volk lost, Leon won, but they both found great success in countering takedowns from opponents that mostly had been steamrolling their opposition without much resistance. Granted, Volk and Leon just happen to be highly skilled champs, but it was special nonetheless.

Historically we’ve had certain techniques being introduced at certain points that fundamentally changed the landscape. Something felt special when watching Leon negate Usmans TD-attempts, enough to make me feel that we are at the beginning of a new stylistic era, one where clinch heavy wrestling (especially against the fence) is thwarted by new techniques and gameplanning.

What say you, sherbros?
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I mean, Volk was practicing Greco Roman wrestling in his rugby offseasons- before he even went pro in MMA. His wrestling really carried him in his early career as well, people tend to forget that he was clinching with Aldo to a degree that engendered fan discontent (merab stole that thunder, however). We are probably just seeing wrestling incorporated earlier into base training and not simply from pre-packaged NCAA standouts.
 
Filthy Phil said:
First we got Volk vs Islam, and now Leon vs Usman. Volk lost, Leon won, but they both found great success in countering takedowns from opponents that mostly had been steamrolling their opposition without much resistance. Granted, Volk and Leon just happen to be highly skilled champs, but it was special nonetheless.

Historically we’ve had certain techniques being introduced at certain points that fundamentally changed the landscape. Something felt special when watching Leon negate Usmans TD-attempts, enough to make me feel that we are at the beginning of a new stylistic era, one where clinch heavy wrestling (especially against the fence) is thwarted by new techniques and gameplanning.

What say you, sherbros?
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To beat a grappler 10 out of 10 times, you need to know how to grapple. The striker that wants to keep the fight standing needs to be good enough at grappling to stay of the ground or get back up whenever they want. In 2023, if you want to be the best you have to be great everywhere. It’s MMA, after all. A fighter can’t have weakness, they need to be competent in all areas.
 
no, it's called hand fighting and MMA non wrestlers don't understand basic wrestling concepts.
 
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