are these special forces skills true? If so, are they practical? Or just for show?

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In Power to the People, Pavel Tsatsouline talks about a Soviet special forces unit that trained in the most insane stunt work possible just to impress the Soviet rulers, while the real special forces trained real combat skills. I think he said they were the GRU, which is one of the entries on this list...

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-awesome-specific-things-learned-by-special-forces-units.php

... where they're described as backflipping and throwing axes in mid-air. I'm curious how many of these entries are training for actual combat purproses and how many are training for show/morale/PR/etc.
 
Well, how often do you think back flipping with an axe will come in handy, in a fight, versus knowing how to punch?

People see stuff like that, and they just assume that it is the tip of the iceberg and that those guys possess incredible skill in everything else. In reality, that backflip is the entire iceberg and it's all they practice, forgoing any practical techniques.
 
i saw deadliest warriors,spetsnaz beat delta,and delta said the same as soda.
 
Soda Popinsky said:
Well, how often do you think back flipping with an axe will come in handy, in a fight, versus knowing how to punch?

People see stuff like that, and they just assume that it is the tip of the iceberg and that those guys possess incredible skill in everything else. In reality, that backflip is the entire iceberg and it's all they practice, forgoing any practical techniques.
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Yeah, but there's stuff on the list that isn't so obviously impractical. Things like practicing hand to hand combat on ice or reloading with one hand.
 
Who says it has to be practical? Pretty sure if you were a terrorist and you saw some Russian spetsnaz guy backflipping throwing fucking hatchets at you, you'd get the message.
 
You need to read the Saudi special forces thread. Those buggers can somersault the hell outta some pesky terrorizers, I'm sure. Crouching Saudi, Hidden Salafi style.
 
It's all for show. To dupe ignorant masses into thinking they are some kinda Captain America like super soldiers who are going to go into war with a melee weapon or fists and backflip over rifle fire. It's like the stupid ass "training" for North Korean body guards. I'm sure it would be real effective if enemy soldiers come at them throwing ninja stars, shovels, and hitting them with breakable sticks.

 
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There's literally only two things on that list that are practical and should be part of a regular training cycle. 1) Shooting with one hand (shooting dominant hand and off-handed), and learning to reload with the same hand as your firing hand. That is practical in case you lose the ability to use both hands or if you are carrying something critical in your other hand that you can't let go of to do a reload. 2) Vehicle training. Not to "beat someone up," but to establish blocking positions (like if you wanted to box a vehicle in to interdict a target, obstacles to delay enemy movement (ie make a road block), egress from a situation where you don't want to become decisively engaged, and moving tactically in vehicles. If you are going to be mounted, you should train for it, not just the actions on the objective.

SOF just means that you should know generally what kind of missions that you are going to run, and then tailor your training and equipment to those specific missions. You shouldn't be training the kinds of movement techniques and battle drills that you would use in a dismounted jungle environment if you are going to doing mounted columns in an urban environment. That's just common sense. All that BS about ninja flips, superfluous knife fighting (seriously, why spend valuable training hours playing with knives and practicing MMA moves when you could spend those same hours on being better with a gun, your primary weapon?), and shooting two guns at the same time is just that: BS. Shit like this just pisses me off...
 
Son of Werdum said:
It's all for show. To dupe ignorant masses into thinking they are some kinda Captain America like super soldiers who are going to go into war with a melee weapon or fists and backflip over rifle fire. It's like the stupid ass "training" for North Korean body guards. I'm sure it would be real effective if enemy soldiers come at them throwing ninja stars, shovels, and hitting them with breakable sticks.

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The footage at 1:04 blew my fucking mind. I have never in my life witnessed a more impractical training technique. For ANYTHING. That's just as applicable to playing the piano as bodyguarding.
 
In case you are outnumbered, cornered and there is a pommel horse nearby...
 
I've seen Daredevil and it comes in handy.
 
Son of Werdum said:
It's all for show. To dupe ignorant masses into thinking they are some kinda Captain America like super soldiers who are going to go into war with a melee weapon or fists and backflip over rifle fire. It's like the stupid ass "training" for North Korean body guards. I'm sure it would be real effective if enemy soldiers come at them throwing ninja stars, shovels, and hitting them with breakable sticks.

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That was actually kind of awesome.
 
silus_2000 said:
In case you are outnumbered, cornered and there is a pommel horse nearby...
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This movie is one of the greatest bad movies of all time. It can't compete with The Room, but it's definitely more than a gatekeeper.
 
It's 100% true. That's why ninjitsu is the leading martial art in MMA.

 
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